5xRet Pally = love

[Catamer]

this is total BS that it JoL doesn't stack.
shaman healing totems stack so why not JoL stacking?

I can see JoW not stacking since shaman mana totems don't stack.

I swear, Blizzard must troll our forums looking for people having too much fun.

[Redbeard]

To my knowledge the only thing thats keeping healing stream totems stacking is that theyre group only.

Because JoL affects the entire raid they cant have it stacking.

While it sucks its for the most part consistent.

[lltmm0]

It hasnt been much of a problem with the judgements not stacking any more. If you replace the copied judgement on your slave toons with another beneficial judgement, it can prove to be quite effective against most mobs.

I try to at least have one of every judgement on each other toon, at least until they get Martyr/Blood( then its game over)

[AlienChild]

I have been very keen to try this build but sinceI play on a PvP server I need to know how do you stop yourself from being kited by ranged characters?

[lltmm0]

lets face it, you will get kited as a pally group; but one things for certian, you will dish out so much dps to the opposing person/enemy that they will think twice before messing with you again. use your judgements, and mix them up, as they arent stacking at the moment.

From my exp in BG's,5x consencration is a must, and 5x exercism is a mass damage dealer .

As for any pvp situation, you want to have a button/macro that allows you to switch toon/focus at a whim. without it , you wil fail, and will get kited all over the place when your leader dies.

[Tdog]

I have been very keen to try this build but sinceI play on a PvP server I need to know how do you stop yourself from being kited by ranged characters?

lets face it, you will get kited as a pally group; but one things for certian, you will dish out so much dps to the opposing person/enemy that they will think twice before messing with you again. use your judgements, and mix them up, as they arent stacking at the moment.

From my exp in BG's,5x consencration is a must, and 5x exercism is a mass damage dealer .

As for any pvp situation, you want to have a button/macro that allows you to switch toon/focus at a whim. without it , you wil fail, and will get kited all over the place when your leader dies.

Umm HI!.. You're playing paladins here, not warriors :P

Between Avenger's shield, 4x Repentance, Judgement of Justice, 5x Hammer of Justice, Pursuit of Justice, Crusader Aura, Blessing of Freedom, 5x Cleanse, Every man for himself (if you're human), and if you're really getting ganged up on by ranged classes, Divine Shield.

Only extremely good hunters, who had completely taken me by suprise have ever managed to sucessfully kite me as a solo pally. I have never been sucessfully kited with 5x paladins and I pvp alot with them.

[lltmm0]

thank you for the advice tdog.

i have pvped alot also, and have been kited multiple times once the group figures out how to play against me (thats after i push them to the graveyard) , but i mostly do AV and AB. I do use a majority of the spells you have listed and they work great, but im only 64, in mediorcre gear. But at this moment, against locks,hunters,and frost mages im on a kited status and then i wipe once they come up with the right strategy.

Maybe its just my playstyle. Some times i dont pay attention and will get caught up in a frost trap on my main. Once i get to 66 think i will switch my main over to prot for the avengers shield and try it again as asuggested. I want to get good with these guys so they can become my main PVP team.

[Tdog]

thank you for the advice tdog.

i have pvped alot also, and have been kited multiple times once the group figures out how to play against me (thats after i push them to the graveyard) , but i mostly do AV and AB. I do use a majority of the spells you have listed and they work great, but im only 64, in mediorcre gear. But at this moment, against locks,hunters,and frost mages im on a kited status and then i wipe once they come up with the right strategy.

Maybe its just my playstyle. Some times i dont pay attention and will get caught up in a frost trap on my main. Once i get to 66 think i will switch my main over to prot for the avengers shield and try it again as asuggested. I want to get good with these guys so they can become my main PVP team.

Well if you're doing 5 ret do this against ranged classes. Make a cleanse macro that will have each pally cleansing the next pally, in other words...

Pally 1 cleanses Pally 2
Pally 2 cleanses Pally 3
Pally 3 cleanses Pally 4
Pally 4 cleanses Pally 5
Pally 5 cleanses Pally 1

This allows your followers to get rid of things like single target fears or HoJ or anything else that you can't cleanse off of yourself due to being incapacitated. Then make a [modifier:shift], or whatever modifier you like, line in the macro to have all 5 paladins cleanse your main as he will most likely be taking the brunt of snares and what not and having 5x cleansing action gets rid of all that crap super quick.

Against Frost Mages with improved Blizzard, you're most likely going to have to just use Hand of Freedom as the winter's chill effect will stack just as quickly as you can cleanse it off and since he will of most likely froze you in place to begin with you'll be just sitting spamming cleanse while not actually catching up on cleansing the debuffs.

Also make sure you have both Repentance and Hammer of Justice on round robin. If the kiter is far off repent them. DON'T touch them till all of your toons are in range. Then 5x judgement crit them, HoJ, Crusader Strike, and Divine storm if they aren't already dead.

[Tdog]

O, Almost forgot to mention, if a hunter get away from you a bit, he will most like turn on aspect of the cheetah, just use Hand of Reckoning to daze his him. Funny as hell

[ryanswan]

How are you keeping your pallies up with solid 2Handers blowing throw instances so quickly?