Archavon with 5 toons?

[spuik]

I'm a 5-boxer and haven't done any WotLK raids even singleboxing so I have no personal experience, but I keep hearing the raids are piss easy. Especially Archavon sounds like a real punching bag so I was wondering if anyone has tried 5-manning him (10-man mode of course)? Or if it would be possible? I really no nothing about it, maybe you need two tanks or something but I'm sure that could be done with some group compositions. Or just get a tank friend as a sixth player. I'm kind of feeling like trying this out even if it's stupid. I think I heard he has an enrage timer but I know some boxers have enough dps to match that of 6-8 newly dinged green geared dps kids, and those seem to be just fine for VoA.

[Bot]

he has a 5 min engrage timer. you need two tanks. its been done with 1 very geared healer. from wowwiki

On normal difficulty, with Archavon's health at 2,300,900 HP, the raid as a whole needs to output more than 7,670 DPS. As a good rule-of-thumb, with two tanks and two healers, the tanks should never go below 550 DPS and the remaining six members should stay above 1,100 DPS.

[spuik]

Well on my pally tank + four ele shammies group I have around 7000-7500 dps (including healing with all shammies) so if I added a friend as a second tank I think I could get there. And I'm sure other boxers have way better dps than that. Do you need two tanks for Archavon himself or the trash? I'm not even talking about the other bosses there (unless they are potentially 5-mannable aswell).

[glo]

Take 20 minutes to run the instance and you won't have to wonder ;)

You can clear the trash with your existing group. You need 2 tanks for the boss and a decent healer. Although this is by far the easiest raid instance I don't see it being 5 boxed unless you at least have an offtank and great gear on your dps.

[Bot]

its for him. he impales the mt so you have to taunt him with the ot so he doesnt just start killing dps. he does a charge that leaves behind a cloud that inflicts damage per second and reduces hit by 50% or so. also has an aoe stomp and a 5 yard radius random target rock shard attack. so basically if you can make 5 min of sustained 7.7k raid dps and have really good raid heals it may be possible. also the situational awareness to move your casters out of the cloud while maintaining the dps as well. im not gonna say its impossible im just gonna say youre gonna need some really geared toons to take a realistic shot at it i think.

but i could be full of shit cause personally ive never tried it with just 5

[Bot]

wowwiki link peruse at your leisure

[spuik]

Yeah I did some reading and apparently he won't do the random charging if everyone is at melee range, which would greatly help dpsing and reduce the amount healing needed because the poison clouds only come after the charges (right?).

I assume when he impales the tank he also switches targets? If so, is there a chance he could be kited until the tank is up again? Would be very hard with all the dps standing at his foot all the time. And if he keeps pounding on the tank just spam heal him on all four guys? I don't know, it really starts to sound super hard. At least I need better gear.

[Maxion]

Yeah I did some reading and apparently he won't do the random charging if everyone is at melee range, which would greatly help dpsing and reduce the amount healing needed because the poison clouds only come after the charges (right?).

I assume when he impales the tank he also switches targets? If so, is there a chance he could be kited until the tank is up again? Would be very hard with all the dps standing at his foot all the time. And if he keeps pounding on the tank just spam heal him on all four guys? I don't know, it really starts to sound super hard. At least I need better gear.

He will one-shot anyone but a tank, which is why ranged dps prefer to stay at range so the offtank will have at least a second or two to taunt when the main tank gets impaled.

[Bot]

also you couldnt cast while kiting if you could even do it through multiple impales making your [s]raid dps target even higher than the number quoted earlier[/s]. my advice find two healers and a tank that you get a long with and 8 man him with your guys doing full dps. a dk tank would allow a little wiggle room from his 1k+ tank dps as well.

edit: raid dps would be unchanged. it would just be that youd need to be capable of higher individual dps on the kiting toon.

[puppychow]

there is a trick to doing this with just 1 tank, you need a 2nd person who has a taunt ability tho. the pattern is always the same -- he throws rock shards on someone, a few seconds later he leaps on someone, a few seconds later he throws rock shards on someone, and then 1-6 seconds later he will grab the current tank.

So you could have an OT DPSing and taunt right after the 2nd rock shard, and he will always get grabbed (he will only "tank" the boss for 1-5 seconds). Of course this person still needs heals and to reposition after getting thrown out of the hand.

I once tried 5 boxing it (pally+4 shamans), the trash was super easy but I couldn't do the boss since I didn't have a 2nd person to grab so he'd just kill 1 person at a time after each grab. I imagine if you could bring a friend who is either a real OT or who can taunt and has good gear you can probably do it.

I also seriously doubt your ele shamans do 7k dps sustained. Lust is only 35 seconds, the boss fight is longer than that