Blizzard loosing its touch on pvp?

[puppychow]

blizzard never "had a touch" on pvp, compared to other games PVP in wow is horrible. DAOC or Warhammer is way, way more fun PVP-wise than wow has ever been, although the core wow game is a lot better than either of those two by a lot - imagine how fun a combo of Wow+Warhammer would have been.

The last year they have focused a lot on "esports" arena as well which is even more confining.

[Zerocool2024]

It maybe just you're server, but when I enter a BG with any of my boxing teams, they follow me, or at least a group of them follow me. It's been that way in every bracket.

I remember in one 70 bracket AV with my 5-box-Shaman team, the Alliance had us pinned down at our fort.
I just kept popping totems, and was blasting away as healers spammed heals on me while me and others held the front line. Was one of the funnest BG's i've ever done.

But I suggest you do Pre-mades as well if you can.

[Marious]

This game was not and will not be based around PVP if you want that you are in the wrong game, while the PVP is ok its not that great as you can see from a lot of the post, personally I do not PVP and hate it to boot and I am on a PVP server >< If you expect something to actually come out of PVP in wow you are going to be disappointed a lot. If you want a PVP intensive game then there are other games you can try as you see from previous post. I really dont get the QQ over PVP when it was never the main focus to begin with, it has actually made the game worse for the majority of those of us who do not PVP. Oh and in case your wondering my friend made me roll on the server since he would not roll horde on my server which was PVE and he loves PVP well when he can actually do it.

[thinus]

blizzard never "had a touch" on pvp, compared to other games PVP in wow is horrible. DAOC or Warhammer is way, way more fun PVP-wise than wow has ever been, although the core wow game is a lot better than either of those two by a lot - imagine how fun a combo of Wow+Warhammer would have been.

Warhammer pvp is better than WoW? Are you kidding me? How is it better?

The last year they have focused a lot on "esports" arena as well which is even more confining.

I find this annoying, especially when balancing changes are made based on arena without thought to the impact on that class in BGs and PvE.

[heyaz]

I dont get whats your problem. There are many skills with make lots od diffrent effects. Each class has them so you can never know what your up agiants making you on your guard all the time. And its obvious that the battlefield is chaotic, have you never saw a struggle in front line without a total mess and mayhem? If you can keep up with it simply dont do it.

he's kinda right man.. It's just a big mess of garbage all over my screen. Blizzard thought it would be cool to make every class in the game have some version of just about every type of spell or cc. Every single class has aoe damage now, most have aoe cc, bubbles of some sort have been given to at least half the classes, win buttons, 100% crit talents, etc. went from just a few classes with very specific specs (seal fate rogues?) to everyone who wants it. it is very out of control

Arenas have gotten so bad with the aoe damage, cc, and ridiculously overdone effects, I have to turn spell damage graphics to minimum to even see what is going on. Of course then all I can really see are my shaman being chain CC'd in some way, but at least I can see

[offive]

Tarren mill vs Southshore... now that was pvp.

This!

In my eyes, PvP was a content patch for WoW. The original ranking system was what introduced PvP to most players. The game keeps changing for both PvE and PvP. Give it a few months and something else will make things different yet again.

Play some FPS or RTS if you need a real pvp fix, something where gear doesn't replace skill. Or convince Blizzard to make the "Naked Arena"!

I also agree, that by focusing on "bring the player, not the class" it has blurred the lines a bit too much. With the introduction of the dual spec system the lines are even more blurred. I doubt WoW will ever provide the grand feeling most had during the Classic part of the game. Let’s just hope that the next gen MMO that they are working on can provide some of that feeling. Sure Wrath has introduced some new "cool" feelings, but all in all it's just another place to explore and kill virtual things.

Or... get outside and have some real life fun! Careful though real life pvp can be very risky to life and limb.

[Bigfish]

PvP is a difficult concept to nail down. Everyone body expects something out of it that is different from what someone else expects.

[magwo]

Meh.

[grettir]

Well, thanks for the responses guys.

I realize pvp will never be perfect in a mmorpg, especially a big game like wow that tenders heavily towards pve aswell.

But I still feel that bliz can do a better job with their pvp part of the game. The funny thing is that my shammies were made to PVE as I already have an 80th lvl pally waiting on testing some instances. However since my limited gametime (yes I do have a rl, wife, kids job etc) just allows me so much, so a bg or two is my fix for the night atm. Maybe someday in the near future pve will spark again for me. Until then its blood sweat and tears at the bgs.

The problem with a mmorpgs is that they can easily be messed up with afew bad decision, then starts the decline of the game that can be very hard to turn around. This is something I have learned from experience, been playing before UO came out, started with M59 and been hooked from that momment on. Also owning a small share in CCP, this is what I dread the most, bad judgement or wrong course for the game. It really doesnt take much, a couple of stubbron devs making a mistake upon a mistake and ending in one disaster.

Now a good start to atleast fix things at my side would be fixing this damm raid bug with premades :thumbsup: .. Has it been done in 3.1.1? The patch hasnt arrived on the EU servers yet.

Ohhh and a update on my bg progress, since I made a thread the other day about being owned in EOS etc.. I'm now wining more bgs then loosing.. cant win them all since you cant choose your teammates. Ofc this excludes WSG and STRAND. If anyone has some good strats for those bgs, PLEASE share.

[Gomotron]

I dont get whats your problem. There are many skills with make lots od diffrent effects. Each class has them so you can never know what your up agiants making you on your guard all the time. And its obvious that the battlefield is chaotic, have you never saw a struggle in front line without a total mess and mayhem? If you can keep up with it simply dont do it.

he's kinda right man.. It's just a big mess of garbage all over my screen. Blizzard thought it would be cool to make every class in the game have some version of just about every type of spell or cc. Every single class has aoe damage now, most have aoe cc, bubbles of some sort have been given to at least half the classes, win buttons, 100% crit talents, etc. went from just a few classes with very specific specs (seal fate rogues?) to everyone who wants it. it is very out of control

Arenas have gotten so bad with the aoe damage, cc, and ridiculously overdone effects, I have to turn spell damage graphics to minimum to even see what is going on. Of course then all I can really see are my shaman being chain CC'd in some way, but at least I can see

I ROFL at that.

Sounds about like my time in arena which, mercifully, has ended. Although with the new season gear, I guess I may have to get my weekly dose of humiliation for my welfare PvP epics.

Where'd I put that jar of KY? /rummages around