Why am I also getting steamrolled? (video)

[gitcho]

in the spirit of Ellusionists's PVP post "Why am I getting steamrolled (video) " i thought I would come out and admit my utter suckage with my main team on my first time in utgarde keep at lvl 71.

I can clear up to prince keleseth, but got rolled 6 times in a row ... my best attempt got him down to about 76% health. Here's the video of my 6th attempt .

Disclaimer: I recognize I should have waited till my pally had more aggro on the prince, but he did on my first 5 attempts, and I still wiped fast ... i also should have used divine shield earlier to get out of the ice tomb, but i'm getting rolled pretty bad. I need to figure out how to effectively and quickly deal with the ice tombs, the adds, and keep the prince aggro on my pally.

Advice for my Pally, sPriest, 3x frost mage team? (please don't say roll shamans or DK's)

Armory: Pally
Armory: Priest
Armory: Mage (all 3 are same gear)

EDIT: in talking with a friend, I also realize i had no consistent DPS on the prince ...
edit2: also not happy with my unit-frames setup ... using a bad pitbull theme .. some recommendations would be appreciated

[Rin]

Whew... this one is tough:

I don't think your DPS is the issue here, as you were able to get him down to about 76% before your entire party wiped. A significant problem that you're having is that your Paladin is getting ice blocked. You should be able to remove this via the skill Every Man For Himself (human racial), Divine Shield, or via AOE nuking. The other issue that I see is that your entire team is taking significant damage throughout all points in the encounter. May I ask why your priest is spec'd Shadow? I doubt that you'll be able to simply dps this fight without heals until you completely over level/gear the encounter. In an eventsuch as this, where your entire team will be taking large amounts of damage, you're going to want to at least try to aoe heal during it. Circle of Healing will provide a small boon, and you should be able to follow that up with the Prayer of Healing. Next, when the adds come into the room, you need to round them up... run up to them, drop a consecreation and use avengers shield (it should hit 3 of the 4 skeletons). The goal here is to control the agro so that you will be able to reduce the amount of AOE healing required. You're going to want to make sure you kill the skeletons in one spot as well, so that when they rez, you'll be able to repeat the consc + avengers shield strategy.

Good luck!

[Kayley]

Bunch all characters up against the paladin, keep consecration down at all times. If a mage/priest gets frozen, consecration will break them out quick. If the paladin is frozen? Either racial or just have the mages do an AOE. When the adds spawn it doesn't matter who they go for, consecration will lead them right to the paladin :P (again, provided all characters are standing right near each other)

Pretty much what Rin said.

[Feider]

Either arcane explosion or set up some short casts like arcane blast or fire blast on a '/target ice tomb' macro button if you can set them up to always face the ice tomb.

With that said. Remember that the ice tombs are frost immune. I did not realize this for the first few wipes in regular as my frost mage was just wasting mana.

[Feider]

(Your video also makes me sad about my setup. I'm running at between 15-4 fps on my one machine. Your horrible wipe looked so nice. B^ ) You've pushed me one step closer to dropping the dough on a better setup.)

[gitcho]

Thanks for the replies ... i'm feeling a lot better about taking another shot. I suppose I should respec to Holy if I'm going to be running the WOTLK instances (quest grinding is too hard right now) ...

@ Kayely: Thanks for the idea on grouping my toons all together - makes sense. Question - do the adds only respawn if all are killed? Can I kill all but 1 and continually poly the last one so they don't all respawn?

@ Feider: I'm using a new core i7 920 processor with 12GB of ram and a single Asus 4850. I'm running all 5 on this PC using this layout (on hotkeynet). I have settings on lowest for all 4 windows on the right, and medium settings on my main window with view distance all the way down. Soon as I turn view distance up on my main window (only outside tho, not in instances) , it lags ... can't be my processor, as I've got the fastest you can reasonably get and plenty enough ram - must be my video card.

[puppychow]

respec the priest to holy, you can't do instances without a healer unless you have passive heals (shaman totems) or massively overgear/overlevel the instance. You should have buttons to heal every member of the party with big heals, and buttons to perform group heals (CoH, POH, etc). Most of the time your priest will just be healing the tank, but you will heal targeted players occasionally. So for example if mage#2 is tombed you want to alternate between heal tank, heal mage#2, heal mage #2, heal tank, etc.

think long and hard how you want your keys to be setup. for example you may want to use 8 keys:

1 = tank initial attack sequence, does nothing on healer
2 = tank/dps spam macro, does nothing on healer
3 = another dps button, does nothing on healer
4 = whatever
shift-1 = heal tank, does nothing on tank/mages
shift-2 = heal party1
.. etc

that way you start fights with a few presses of 1 (just tank attacking) and shift-1 (healing tank), then just switch to mashing 2 and shift-1 (dps, tank, and heal tank) for the rest of the fight (pressing shift-2, shift-3, etc as mages need heals).

There are a million ways to set it up, I have about 10 keys that are exclusively used by my tank (rftgyzxc + shift-same), 12 keys used by my DPSers (2-8, shift2-8, alt2-8), and 5-6 keys used by my healer. it lets you tackle pretty much anything and adapt quickly.

[offive]

Frankly i think Prince is the hardest boss in UK. So much spell damage so fast can be tough for tanks (except maybe a DK).

The adds are skellys so poly wont work. Shackle would be a waste of time. You can holy wrath with the pally to get agro on them and do some damage. Just pop AOE a couple times on the mages and you should be fine with the adds. If the timing is correct it will kill the tomb as well. Just watch your mana when spamming arcane explosion.

You will definately need a dedicated healer for instances. The holy priest is the easiest to box, just macro a circle of healing / prayer of healing targeted on the preist to a key so you can quickly get your followers healthy with a simple key press.

Prince is a pain with the shadowbolt spam, make sure you have shadow protection on. If your tank can keep agro and you have some TBC shadow resist gear it makes the fight easier. Matter of fact shadow resist gear is just nice in UK. Too bad blizzard doesnt really have any end game resist gear anymore.

Pop mirror image before the skellys come so they focus on Prince.

Good luck!

[EaTCarbS]

Just keep all your guys next to your tank, and add this to the front of your spam macro

/target Frost Tomb

Adding that makes the fight laughable

Good Luck!

[Powerwar]

You are doing the same mistake that I did the first tries on this boss.

Make your toons follow your pala.
Have the pala spell that stuns undead for a couple of seconds on hand. you will need it if the mana tomb is up and the skeletons respawn at the same time. Come really handy in this fight and later in the instance.
I personally just AoE nuke when mana tomb or the skeletons are up.

This boss is relatively hard at the beginning, but once you get used to him it's not that difficult encounter.