i started 5 boxing before 2.8 and i noticed that while i didnt think the content had been nerfed, and i wasnt using any crazy gear, things in instances seemed trivial. then i thought about it and realized that people i had been pugging with musta been afk like 60% of the time. when wrath dropped and i put the team on hold because i wanted to see the new junk and i didnt wanna wait i realized that my assumptions were correct. in about 75% of the pugs ive been in at least 2 people are constantly laggin like 10 -15 secs behind the group. not connection lag more like they loot then they check out. im pretty patient and it doesnt bother me but it does show that i was pretty correct in my assumption. its amazing the progress you can make when all 5 toons are on the exact same page.