EVE Multiboxers

[RobinGBrown]

I think you mean Hybrid turrets for a Gallente cruiser pilot

This explains why I do sooo badly at EVE...

But the pretty laser beams make me feel good

[Souca]

Hey, my Gallente has Missile Launcher 5, but can't train Large Hybrid because his Gunnery wasn't 5. It's really sad when you consider he has 262k SP in missiles, but only 196k SP in gunnery. I had *NO* clue what I was doing back then. I likely still don't

- Souca -

[RobinGBrown]

CCP charges $19.95 for the first month, but I'm pretty sure you can convert with and ETC or Plex which are two months for $34.95. Still not as cheap as $14.95 a month, but not as bad as $19.95 x 2 if you are converting two accounts. If you are converting one you can eitehr use teh second Plex for 30 days or sell it for about 310-320 mil ISK in Jita, cause skills and implants can get pricey.

To clarify a bit, you have a couple of options for converting a trial account into a full account (doesn't matter if you got the free 14 day trial or the 21 day buddy trial or the 30 day trial with a Rock laptop):

Setup a subscription with CCP - you can pay by card or PayPal at 14.95 euros a month BUT the first month will cost 19.95

Buy a game time card and apply it to your account, 60 day GTCs are available from various places at about $35/27 euros - you won't have to pay the extra 5 euros BUT you will have to add 60 days to the account (there's an advanced gotcha for this but probably doesn't matter for a starter)

Buy a 60 day GTC and convert it to 2x PLEX but this requires that you to have an active account because converting GTCs to PLEX is done in-gameBuy 2x30 day PLEX from CCP for 34.99 euros and use them - PLEX are more expensive than 60 day GTCs or a subscription though but they can be sold in game to buy legit ISK

PLEX: http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/...le.aspx?id=495 and http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/30_da...ense_Extension

GTC to PLEX: http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/...le.aspx?id=493 (has links to GTC vendors)

[Souca]

PLEX are more expensive than 60 day GTCs

I've never found GTC for less than the cost of Plex from CCP. If you know of a place, I'd love to know about it. Subscriptions are the cheapest, but once you can generate 320 mil per month in surplus, nothing is cheaper than free That said, buying a few Plex for ISK really helps out with skill costs and implants. I bet you could recover the cost of the PLEX in a month from the increased time you'd be able to mine on young characters. Would be interesting to do the math sometime when I have some time.

- Souca -

[nomenquis]

The learning skills definately are worth it, but for offline trainers like I'm doing with my trial accounts, I need to be aware that you can end up with 330k of your SP being used up in learning skills. That is all first tier to level 4 and two secondary to level 3. It's not a huge downside, but worth noting. I have a two characters working toward Exhumers and with only 65k points in learning, they will hit a skill total of 2.3 mil to get to Exhumers 3. If I add the additional learners to minimize the train time, I hit 2.6 million. I guess my concern is that hitting 1.6 mil before I can fly something would be bad. It's faster with the learning skills, but you may end up in the exhumer earlier if you don't train them because of the doubling. It would be interesting to map things out and take the doubling budget into account. EveMon still doesn't show the first 1.6 mil with bonus, so it's hard to play around and get estimates.

Being a newbie to eve I'd love to know how you do 'offline' training? I assume you mean you're paying for the accounts and simply log in once in a while to push new stuff into the queue?

kind regards

[Binaryzero]

Steam has is for 14.99 right now btw http://store.steampowered.com/app/8500/

Yea, but thats only to start a new account.

Product keys will not work with existing EVE Online accounts.

So you could likely start a trial through them, but if someone else gave you a buddy key, you 'd have to go through CCP to convert it. CCP charges $19.95 for the first month, but I'm pretty sure you can convert with and ETC or Plex which are two months for $34.95. Still not as cheap as $14.95 a month, but not as bad as $19.95 x 2 if you are converting two accounts. If you are converting one you can eitehr use teh second Plex for 30 days or sell it for about 310-320 mil ISK in Jita, cause skills and implants can get pricey.

- Souca -

I am talking about for myself or anyone else that is looking to start anew...

[Flight]

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[quote='RobinGBrown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=1 91465#post191465]PLEX are more expensive than 60 day GTCs[/quote]I've never found GTC for less than the cost of Plex from CCP. If you know of a place, I'd love to know about it. Subscriptions are the cheapest, but once you can generate 320 mil per month in surplus, nothing is cheaper than free That said, buying a few Plex for ISK really helps out with skill costs and implants. I bet you could recover the cost of the PLEX in a month from the increased time you'd be able to mine on young characters. Would be interesting to do the math sometime when I have some time.

- Souca -[/quote]
Historically, quite a few places sold GTCs at much less than the present price. I don't know what has happened, but some time in the last 6 months this has changed and the price of GTC have normalized, no matter where you get them from. Shattered Crystal is one of the best known sources - their price has nearly doubled.

Of course, [url='http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=544711']you can legitimately buy GTC for less than their normal price on the official forums[/url] , certainly cheaper than PLEX, - CCP allow players to trade them for in game cash. Some players have spent enormous amounts of money (£100,000 +) buying GTC and selling them for ISK to generate empire building ISK in the game. Depending on how patient you are you can pick up 60 day GTCs for 500-600mill ISK - the price is somewhat volatile depending on how many are presently being dumped on the market.


I would advise people to be very careful about buying ISK for RL cash - CCP have a somewhat unique approach to dealing with this - if they suspect you have done it they will deduct the amount from your character. If its been spent or no longer on your character you will end up with a massive NEGATIVE ISK balance - you won't be able to buy anything, insure your ship, or even take out a clone so you risk losing all your trained Skill Points.

[Souca]

Being a newbie to eve I'd love to know how you do 'offline' training? I assume you mean you're paying for the accounts and simply log in once in a while to push new stuff into the queue?

I created buddy trials and gave them a bunch of ISK to pay for skills and implants. They sit in a station training all day. Since you can only play on trial account per computer, it's just easier to leave them be and play the other characters. I log on to them in the mornings and evenings unless I have a multiday skill.

I am talking about for myself or anyone else that is looking to start anew...

I know, I just was confused since I thought you had gotten buddy trial's from Robin. Apologies if I was wrong, work has been depriving me of sleep.

I would advise people to be very careful about buying ISK for RL cash - CCP have a somewhat unique approach to dealing with this - if they suspect you have done it they will deduct the amount from your character. If its been spent or no longer on your character you will end up with a massive NEGATIVE ISK balance - you won't be able to buy anything, insure your ship, or even take out a clone so you risk losing all your trained Skill Points.

It's simpler than that; it's a violation of the EULA, so we don't do it. With a legitimate method to get to ISK from cash through Plex and GTC I don't know why anyone would go the illcit route. Money really isn't the limiting factor in Eve until you get to the really high end stuff. Until then it's mostly time. You can only train so fast.

- Souca -

[Flight]

I would advise people to be very careful about buying ISK for RL cash - CCP have a somewhat unique approach to dealing with this - if they suspect you have done it they will deduct the amount from your character. If its been spent or no longer on your character you will end up with a massive NEGATIVE ISK balance - you won't be able to buy anything, insure your ship, or even take out a clone so you risk losing all your trained Skill Points.

It's simpler than that; it's a violation of the EULA, so we don't do it. With a legitimate method to get to ISK from cash through Plex and GTC I don't know why anyone would go the illcit route. Money really isn't the limiting factor in Eve until you get to the really high end stuff. Until then it's mostly time. You can only train so fast.
- Souca -

I know that mate and I support that stance. but I've played a lot of
MMOs and been a member of a lot of anti-cheat forums. No matter how much you take
the moral ground there will be some members of this community who buy
in game cash for RL monies, whether you do or not. In this game its
stupid to do that, not just morally wrong.

[RobinGBrown]

As to 'offline' training I take it to mean getting training while your account is not live.

e.g. I want to train Battlecruisers V which will take approx 31 days

My account time expires in a week so I spend the next week training other skills and then a couple of hours before my time expires I set Battlecruisers V to train.

I open one of my other accounts and play that for a month, at the end of the month I set Drone Interfacing V to train (another 30 day skill)

I resubscribe/buy a GTC for the first account and I have Battlecruisers V trained up without paying for 30 days of play.

You can cycle through accounts like this for quite some time getting 'free' training but it does need a bit of planning ahead.