Addons free from now on, per Blizzard: KeyClone okay?

[zanthor]

Quoted from "zanthor"
Blizzard has no rights to tell me as a developer I cannot write a bit of LUA code and sell it after I obfuscate it.

No they don't. This isn't relevant so please stop bringing it up.

So I see we agree, but you just don't realize it.

[Kayley]

lol, gj.

[Souca]

Quoted from "zanthor"
Blizzard has no rights to tell me as a developer I cannot write a bit of LUA code and sell it after I obfuscate it.

No they don't. This isn't relevant so please stop bringing it up.

So I see we agree, but you just don't realize it.

Yes, but no where in the above do you mention using the Blizzard API. You are welcome to write "Hello World" and sell it and Blizzard has no say. You keep trying to make generic statements that are true and then expect it to justify very specific statements, like those having to do with the Blizzard API. LUA has nothing to do with the discussion; writing code has nothing to do with the discussion.

I only responded to what you wrote.

Edit:

Further on I responded to the rest of your comments, but you decided to quote a small portion to look like you'd proven some point. I broke the end of your post up and responded to it line by line.

- Souca -

[dubiox]

It is pretty hard to take some of you seriously when you speak in such absolutes. For many of these issues there is an argument on either side. Repeatedly posting some conclusory statements does not make them the only possible interpretation, no matter how many times you do it.

-K

[Moorea]

It is pretty hard to take some of you seriously when you speak in such absolutes. For many of these issues there is an argument on either side. Repeatedly posting some conclusory statements does not make them the only possible interpretation, no matter how many times you do it.

-K

^THIS
(as this seems to be the new "qft")


ps: I think I used enough could / would /might / not necessarily what they would/should/... in my arguments to not qualify as "absolutes" - anyway - it hasn't happened yet - so so far there is indeed no change or no impact to Keyclone - yet if I was for instance an investor in Keyclone inc, I would sure want to see the stream of revenue diversify outside of Wow players... but that'd be my money.

[Souca]

It is pretty hard to take some of you seriously when you speak in such absolutes. For many of these issues there is an argument on either side. Repeatedly posting some conclusory statements does not make them the only possible interpretation, no matter how many times you do it.

-K

I can see this. For me it's the opposite. I see so many broad statements based on nothing but speculation and it becomes hard for me to think there might be any truth in there. I repeat things when people continue to ignore them and claim things that are in direct opposition. I don't think the act of repeat something makes it truth, but I would hope that people with differing opinions would at least address my points with facts or substance. I love being proven wrong, it means I got to learn something. The caveat is that I need proof or at least a convincing argument.

If this wasn't aimed at me, I apologize. Kind of hard to tell since it doesn't reference anyone.

Oh, and I think there have been some very good point made in this thread. For the most part I respect everyone on DB.com.

- Souca -

[Sam DeathWalker]

Repeatedly posting some conclusory allegation does not make it true. - SDW '09

Stole yur quote, fixed it up a bit, and made it mine heheh.

Just to much speculation to really argue against any position in this thread at this point.

They have banned for sale add ons, will they go further, Ill wait and see and argue at that point.

Is the EULA legal? I'll see how the Courts handle the situation and argue then.

For many of these issues there is an argument on either side.

Very true words indeed but throughout my 55 years of experience I have found that the side I take more often then not has the highest probability of being correct over time.

[Souca]

Very true words indeed but throughout my 55 years of experience I have found that the side I take more often then not has the highest probability of being correct over time.

Especially since you take a new side with every post. Sam truly is the greatest boxer ever. He actually boxes the forums. Each post operates independently of all his others. This way he can optimize his trolling and ignore any chance for reality to intrude upon his fantasy world.

Sam, you the exception to my previous post. I have no respect for you. It's a shame that you get coddled on the forums; you're the worst thing to happen to them.

* braces for ban hammer *

- Souca -

[Sam DeathWalker]

How did I take a new side?

My postion has been that the EULA is of questionable legality, thus limiting Blizzards ability to enforce policies based upon the EULA (and ToS), thus Blizzard can't ban people for using keyclone simply because he charges for it.

I belive, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, that your postion is that the EULA is legal based upon the MDY case and thus Blizzard can ban any user that violates the EULA and thus ban any user that uses any program that is used with WoW, including keyclone, IF the EULA is changed to prohibit it because it charges a fee, IF they decide to do so in the future.

Using conclusory allegation, instead of citation to facts in support of yur statements, and claiming it is debate or argument is the worst thing to happen to forums.

And everyone who posts should understand that statements such as "I have no respect for you" etc. do little to advance any argument or position put forth by the poster. That fact that you have no respect for me means that Blizzard can or cannot ban Keyclone because he charges? I really don't see a connection.

[keyclone]

last i checked, my G15 software interacts with wow... and it wasn't free. should Blizzard be able to demand those keyboards to be free?

whether or not keyclone can be classified as an add-on is simple. run wow. click 'add-ons'. is keyclone in the list? no? then not an add-on.

wow add-ons are held within a certain folder in the wow folder hierarchy. they are written in LUA, an interpreted scripting language (wow uses a slightly tailored version of LUA). wow loads them from the drive... parses the code... then performs the actions specified within the add-on. this is not how keyclone works at all. wow.exe has no knowledge of keyclone and vice versa (the only knowledge of wow keyclone has is of the config file)

there is no wiggle room here. whether or not something is an add-on is black and white and not up for discussion. no matter how much you 'feel' it should be an add-on, it is not.

(just amazed this thread is still kicking... amazing)

--specifically noting that i am not wearing a mod hat--

as for people getting on Sam, that's just lame. he equates himself properly and does not attack anyone. please do the same.

--end of specific personal feelings--