Addons free from now on, per Blizzard: KeyClone okay?

[Souca]

Well Fur, I happen to be on your side of this argument, but others have stated in this thread that Blizzard can do whatever they want as you entered into a binding contract as to their EULA when you log into the game.

Well its Souca's move.

LOL.

I'm sorry, but I just can't take you seriously anymore Sam. If you honestly think I was arguing Blizzard can do anything they want because of an EULA then it won't matter what I say since you seem come up with your own version of the posts to reply to. I cited my points, you chose to ignore them and claim victory in the end by redefining the argument so you were on the other side.

- Souca -

[Gurblash]

it won't matter what I say since you seem come up with your own version of the posts to reply to. I cited my points, you chose to ignore them and claim victory in the end by redefining the argument so you were on the other side.

This is what makes Sam the ULTIMATE Troll... He can't be beaten. No matter how much evidence you throw at him, he chooses to respond with something that typically makes no sense and thinks he wins. The longer we continue to respond to him the longer he will continue to troll here. Its time to start the campaign of "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS."

[Moorea]

I think it's totally conceivable that Blizz would extend the "must be free" to any software addition; not just in game; and while we may not like it; software like keyclone does interact with the game by sending 1 key to multiple windows; etc... which isn't "normal" behavior of any PC - so Blizzard could well prohibit it whenever they want or put constraints that it should be free - I think the argument "anyone who based their business on charging for addon is a fool" next to "but keyclone is totally not the same" is not very consistant - my bet is 99.9% of keyclone licenses are used for multi boxing wow so it would a bit hard to make the case keyclone has nothing to do with wow...

[Jubber]

Except Keyclone is not specifically an ingame WoW addon. It works outside of WoW for other games just as well. Things like questhelper and carbonite work strictly for WoW. In the case of Carbonite, they were trying to make money off of WoW.
This is similiar to the argument of where are they gonna stop next, Vent? I don't agree with this particular argument. Vent works outside of wow for many platforms and games. There is no reason for them to forbid the use of said software. They were targeting addons that fit within their "addons" folders.

[Moorea]

Except Keyclone is not specifically an ingame WoW addon. It works outside of WoW for other games just as well. Things like questhelper and carbonite work strictly for WoW. In the case of Carbonite, they were trying to make money off of WoW.
This is similiar to the argument of where are they gonna stop next, Vent? I don't agree with this particular argument. Vent works outside of wow for many platforms and games. There is no reason for them to forbid the use of said software. They were targeting addons that fit within their "addons" folders.

Did you read any of my post ?

[Khatovar]

Well umm maybe 5 percent faster or less ... Sure helped me level faster as I am new to the game.

I dont see how you run out of things to do; there is PvP once you have beaten all the PvE ...

And that is no faster than the free addons like TomTom, Lightheaded, nQuestLog, Cartographer, etc.

Other than that *laughs*

[Souca]

Except Keyclone is not specifically an ingame WoW addon. It works outside of WoW for other games just as well. Things like questhelper and carbonite work strictly for WoW. In the case of Carbonite, they were trying to make money off of WoW.
This is similiar to the argument of where are they gonna stop next, Vent? I don't agree with this particular argument. Vent works outside of wow for many platforms and games. There is no reason for them to forbid the use of said software. They were targeting addons that fit within their "addons" folders.

Did you read any of my post ?

I read them both. Keyclone does not make use of any Blizzard intellectual property and as such is not subject to their EULA.

Keyclone and addons are two separate animals, even if they both have fur and bark. Blizzard owns the APIs addons use; Rob owns Keyclone.

Before someone comes and states the theory that Blizzard would change the EULA to prohibit use of Keyclone on a persons computer system, consider that they take a much larger risk as they have no legal basis for doing so. If they want to stop multiboxing they have a much simpler method: change the EULA/TOS to prohibit more than one account per person. They could do that, it's their game and they can change access to it. Why risk diluting their position by attempting to extend the terms of the EULA beyond their intelectual property; they'd risk more than they'd gain.

TLDR: If Bobby wants to take their toys and go home, they can; they can't take your pet dog with them though. Interpret the metaphor however you want.

- Souca -

[Moorea]

Yes they could more directly prohibit mboxing - but if their intent is to "level the playing field" as it is claimed for add ons; that could apply to mboxing software - they could well say that mboxing is fine but you can't charge for the tools to do it - now it may be harder to defend, but I'm sure their lawyers budget is a bit bigger than keyclone's. Again I'm not saying it will happen or it's even remotely blizz's intention or in their interest - just that all the dismissive reactions are more like stuffing one's head in the sand than an actual argument - again Keyclone's usage is lot more comparable to Carbonite's than people want to admit.

[Caspian]

Yes they could more directly prohibit mboxing - but if their intent is to "level the playing field" as it is claimed for add ons; that could apply to mboxing software - they could well say that mboxing is fine but you can't charge for the tools to do it - now it may be harder to defend, but I'm sure their lawyers budget is a bit bigger than keyclone's. Again I'm not saying it will happen or it's even remotely blizz's intention or in their interest - just that all the dismissive reactions are more like stuffing one's head in the sand than an actual argument - again Keyclone's usage is lot more comparable to Carbonite's than people want to admit.

They are not even close. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Keylone can use for:
WoW
LotR
Connan
EQ
notepad

Carbonite can use for:
WoW
removing free space from your HDD

Keyclose uses:
Rob magic

Carbonite uses:
Carbonite magic
WoW API

Blizzard saying that MB "tools" or software must be free is like them saying keyboard multiplexers must be free. Sounds pretty stupid doesn't it?

I have no idea how much money rob has made. I would be willing to wager that most of it has been from people playing WoW. His software still has pretty much ZERO to do with wow as far as blizzard is concerned. It is an unrealted topic.

Souca, I wish I knew you when I lived in Seattle - I would have loved to share a beer with you. Spot on dude, spot on.




yes it is past midnight local time, yes I had too much to drink. yes I have to go to work tomorrow err technically later today after I sleep some.

[Moorea]

Keep you head in the sand; it's warm in there :-)