Pally Macro using /click and castrandom

[Memn]

Ok, so you don't need any evidence, you jsut take it on what you assume? Ok, good to know.

I don't need evidence to support my opionion or my math. I have provided much more "evidence" than you have.

The initial macro looked nice aesthetically, but it will result in very poor threat output... If you need "evidence" to prove that to yourself... use it.. after the wipe, try the macro wowphreak posted.. I suspect you will hve all the evidence you need without parsing a combat log.

[Bigfish]

Well, you could work out the theoreticals of chance of what fires off when concerning cool downs and the GCD. Bottom line though, you're going to end up with such a broad range of potential action trees you won't get much more than "sometimes it works, some times it doesn". What ISN'T going to work is a cascading /castrandom with high cooldowns on the front end. Things will fire off, but you are looking at progressively lower chances of a successful cast, which means long periods of dead-space between when the GCD is up and when an action fires.

What you end up with is an unpredictable up time on holy shield, cooldowns being up on most other abilities, and an exponential macro-lag growth (from .1 to .2 to .4 to .8 seconds and so on) getting tacked on to your effective GCD.

[Simulacra]

Ok, so you don't need any evidence, you jsut take it on what you assume? Ok, good to know.

I don't need evidence to support my opionion or my math. I have provided much more "evidence" than you have.

The initial macro looked nice aesthetically, but it will result in very poor threat output... If you need "evidence" to prove that to yourself... use it.. after the wipe, try the macro wowphreak posted.. I suspect you will hve all the evidence you need without parsing a combat log.

after the wipe lol - what wipe would that be? check out the gloves --> armory link http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...trasz&n=Aztrid
nuff said

[Memn]

All I am saying is that daisy chained /castrandoms is very inefficient, and that there are better options. My tankadin is my main, and I know the class pretty well... If it works for you, that is great - but I know that it would not work for me... And I don't need to parse combat logs to know....

My Pally has nice gloves too... Masochista

[Simulacra]

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yes they are nice gratz!

if all you were saying was that "daisy chained /castrandoms is very inefficient, and that there are better options" I would have thought fair enough, but what you actually said earlier was : "If you need "evidence" to prove that to yourself... use it.. after the wipe, try the macro wowphreak posted"

it's the dismissive "after the wipe" comment that rankles

I did more than try wowphreaks macro, it was the first macro I used on my pally when I decided to switch from manual control and although it was fine it simply didn't work that well for me, I did numerous runs of H Grundrak with it and wiped a lot, maybe I was doing something wrong I don't know. So I came up with the method in the OP (see below) and suddenly HG was a walk in the park. Maybe you should give this method a go and tell us what you think instead of just dismissing it without even trying. We can theorycraft till the cows come home but until you actually use it why say anything negative? try it, you might like it.

a bit on how I came up with this: I didn't wake up one morning, create this method in 5 minutes and go do an heroic. It took hours of experimentation, dead ends, some successes and finally some fine tuning (probably need more). In the early phases I used it against normal mobs, you know those guys near ebon blade. Once I could smash through those I went to various instances and worked on trash mobs, once satisfied I ran HG and downed 4 of the bosses without issue and I mean WITHOUT ISSUE, no deaths, no wipes it was a first for me, I did wipe on the last boss a few times but that was just learning the encounter. He's down too now.

But I think people are missing a major point of this method, flexibility. With this method you can swap macros in and out of rotation with a drag from the macro editor without making ANY code changes.

[Memn]

I was being dismissive to wolpak, who had been dismissive to me. Not to you Simulcra. Look at my first post in the thread...

As far as keeping Holy Shield up 100% of the time... it is not as important in WotLK... it was vital in BC because you needed ti to push crushing blows off the hit table. They aren't on there, and if you have 540 defense, then criticals aren't either... so the only thing constant block capping provides you is pushing hit off the table (in exchange for block). While this is great for fast hitting bosses, it does little for hard hitting bosses. And your macro, as provided above, is going to have alot of deadspace, and alot of abilities off cooldown...

[Simulacra]

I was being dismissive to wolpak, who had been dismissive to me. Not to you Simulcra. Look at my first post in the thread...

As far as keeping Holy Shield up 100% of the time... it is not as important in WotLK... it was vital in BC because you needed ti to push crushing blows off the hit table. They aren't on there, and if you have 540 defense, then criticals aren't either... so the only thing constant block capping provides you is pushing hit off the table (in exchange for block). While this is great for fast hitting bosses, it does little for hard hitting bosses. And your macro, as provided above, is going to have alot of deadspace, and alot of abilities off cooldown...

ahhh sorry /slap me - I hate the interwebz sometimes lol

I've been thinking about this today instead of working wowphreaks macro works for him and you and lots of other people so why not for me? I think it may be a case of expectation management. I'm looking for a macro combo that will replicate me, which is what mine nearly does and wowphreaks doesn't for some bizarre reason. I'm going to give his macro another go and report back. But that'll be awhile as I'm over in the UK for work and only have my work laptop >.< so I'll just be levelling my lock.

[Memn]

tbh, I think your macro works for you because your tank really needs the extra mitigation that 100% Holy Shield provides... once you get more gear, this will be less of an issue.

You could try something like:

/castrandom Holy Shield,
/castsequence reset=combat ,Consecration,Hammer of the Righteous,Judgement of Light,Shield of Righteousness,,Hammer of the Righteous,Consecration,Shield of Righteousness,Judgement of Light,Hammer of the Righteous,Shield of Righteousness

This still tries Holy Shield 50% of the time, but it distributes the other 50% of attempts to a normal 9696 sequence

[Simulacra]

tbh, I think your macro works for you because your tank really needs the extra mitigation that 100% Holy Shield provides... once you get more gear, this will be less of an issue.

You could try something like:

/castrandom Holy Shield,
/castsequence reset=combat ,Consecration,Hammer of the Righteous,Judgement of Light,Shield of Righteousness,,Hammer of the Righteous,Consecration,Shield of Righteousness,Judgement of Light,Hammer of the Righteous,Shield of Righteousness

This still tries Holy Shield 50% of the time, but it distributes the other 50% of attempts to a normal 9696 sequence

thx I'll give it a go. This is spammable? I'm a real button masher.

[Greythan]

thx I'll give it a go. This is spammable? I'm a real button masher.

Should be.

/castrandom will only cast holy shield if a) the global cooldown is available, b) holy shield's cooldown is available, and c) the LOCAL random number generation results in an attempted cast.

/castsequence will, by definition, only move to the next spell in the sequence once the prior spell has been successfully cast.

The only limitation here would be the statistically anomoly resulting in a massive series of random numbers ALL trying to cast holy shield. If you are a masher like I am, the odds are probably pretty low that you'd get "lag" due to this.