Getting very frustrated with Bliz (rant warning)

[turbopinto]

It seems like every time I am finding my class(es) fun to play, then Bliz is nerfing them due to how well they are performing in some area that I will never see. And I haven't even experienced the actual nerfs yet, they're still in the coming patch. I figure if things continue much more, I'll just end up bailing out even before I get a chance to buy/play Wotlk.
-Affliction locks were topping DPS charts, the voidwalkers were tanking sarth, and affliction was too complicated. => Lose 1dot, nerf drain life (by 40%), lose another dot by making 2 exclusive from each other, drop VW health by 10k+, and still no real PVP issues addressed.
-Mages were doing something wrong apparently, and spirit needs to be had by all. => remove molten armor crit and have spirit try to make up the difference, imp scorch and winters chill both nerfed. Srsly, stack spirit?? that sounds fun. :cursing:
-Rogues mutilate was way too good.=> Back to shadowstep I go.
-Dwarf stoneform (like 40% of my alliance characters are) way too good obviously.

I havent been reading too much of the other classes, but since I am now playing them, feral druids, ele shamans, and retardins will get nerfed into the ground. Pity I wont be able to get DKs nerfed.

[X-Ifist]

PTR=TEST SERVER

its not comming out before a month alot will change in that time

The 60% dmg from Drain life and soul was way to OP
Rogues Mutilate was and still is rly rly good
Lock affliction is getting a nerf for pvp reasons, destro and demon is getting buffed for PvE reasons
The reason for Winters Chill and Imp Scorch was that whit a destro lock elemental shaman 2 mages(frost and fire) bomking druid you would have 60-70 crit chance
Retradins where overpowered 8k each hit ofc they where gone get nerfed, Feral druid isent rly getting nerfed they are getting more stedy dmg.
Ele shamans getting nerfed?O.o 4 instant lavaburst=2500 rating for ellay

[Clanked]

I don't want to come off sounding like I'm flaming you, but you need to re-evauluate why you started playing in the first place.

I'm sure it wasn't because you heard that locks had siphon life, or that mages didn't have to use spirit.

Changes will come and go, but by and large the game remains about the same. If you built your plan on one specific talent or whathave you, you are setting yourself up for failure. If you had, then all you have to do is adjust. The game will still remain about the same. You either find it fun, or you don't.

I personally think the game is fun, and will remain so come nerf or buff.

[simpletom]

i think your getting abit too upset over nerfs, blizzard dont sit their and think 'hey warlocks are haveing too much fun, lets come up with some ideas to skrew them over'. blizzard make buffs and nerfs accordingly for game balance, the problem is blanceing this game isnt exactly easy and noone wants to see 10 classes doing exactly the same thing just to make it fair.

like you said you wont feel the nerfs because your not 80 yet so you dont really have alot to compare the new changes to.

at the end of the day dont get upset over changes even less so if they are in the ptr and not live yet, getting excited about buffs is just as silly as everything can change before live and even then can change again and again according to class balance.

[Bigfish]

I don't want to come off sounding like I'm flaming you, but you need to re-evauluate why you started playing in the first place.

I'm sure it wasn't because you heard that locks had siphon life, or that mages didn't have to use spirit.

It has less to do with why anyone started playing in the first place, and more to do with the fact that a lot of gearing and macro work have to be redone. AGAIN. It's one thing when abilities get tweaked. Its another when your entire gearing philosophy, spell rotation, and hotbars get screwed up. It also doesn't help to see classes get whacked with the nerf bat over something you never did. (ie, pvp adjustments that affect pve, and vice versa)

Seems to me to be completely understandable that people would get upset.

[Ken]

The more that something looks more powerful or better, the more likely it is to be nerfed.

[Tonuss]

It seems like every time I am finding my class(es) fun to play, then Bliz is nerfing them due to how well they are performing in some area that I will never see. And I haven't even experienced the actual nerfs yet, they're still in the coming patch. I figure if things continue much more, I'll just end up bailing out even before I get a chance to buy/play Wotlk.

If I'm reading this right, you're worried about nerfs that will have no immediate effect on you because you have not played a character to a level where they would have had these abilities in the first place?

I have to echo Clanked, as long as you are having fun playing a character or class, I would not worry about what Blizzard is or is not doing unless I knew that the change would directly affect my enjoyment of that class (ie, they took away or nerfed an ability that I like to use ).

[Feider]

The reason for Winters Chill and Imp Scorch was that whit a destro lock elemental shaman 2 mages(frost and fire) bomking druid you would have 60-70 crit chance

Is that right? I was under the impression that like-buffs/de-buffs did not stack. You recieved the benifit from only the strongest buff. the mob is only effected by the strongest de-buff. ie: Scorch and Winter's Chill do not stack. (I believe the winter's chill debuff can't even be applied while scorch is up and vise versa)


So. Frost mage, Fire Mage, Elemental Shaman. = +3% crit debuff on mob not the 3+2+2= 7% stack because the ToW debuff is highest.

Have I been way off on this?

[Bigfish]

The reason for Winters Chill and Imp Scorch was that whit a destro lock elemental shaman 2 mages(frost and fire) bomking druid you would have 60-70 crit chance

Is that right? I was under the impression that like-buffs/de-buffs did not stack. You recieved the benifit from only the strongest buff. the mob is only effected by the strongest de-buff.

Have I been way off on this?

I'm pretty sure Improved Scorch and Winter's Chill don't stack, nor do Moonkin Aura and Elemental Oath.

[RobinGBrown]

It has less to do with why anyone started playing in the first place, and more to do with the fact that a lot of gearing and macro work have to be redone. AGAIN. It's one thing when abilities get tweaked. Its another when your entire gearing philosophy, spell rotation, and hotbars get screwed up. It also doesn't help to see classes get whacked with the nerf bat over something you never did. (ie, pvp adjustments that affect pve, and vice versa)

Seems to me to be completely understandable that people would get upset.

Actually I think it's those people who min max that _cause_ the changes. If everyone just chilled out and geared up according to what looks cool then these issues would be very minor.

If you're the sort of person who has to minmax your char in order to 'win' then you've got to be prepared for dissapointment.

It's a vicious cycle but you don't have to be in it if you don't want to, I've NEVER been bothered by any nerfs/buffs/changes and the game just keeps getting better for me.