Ok mmcookies Im out too!

[Multibocks]

It's been fun, but it's time to quit WoW again for a while. I wish I could permanently do it, but I know better. I'll be reading the boards, but I have already cancelled my accounts and wont be logging in anymore. I was holding out hope that they would provide some way to get emblems of valor with emblems of heroism, but it appears they dont like that. I also read that they are only introducing new Bind on Account stuff for emblems in 3.1. So I really dont see a reason to play. I have an odd schedule with work and it doesnt leave time to join a guild and raid. (Really who wants a person that cant show up to raids for weeks at a time?) Anyways it feels like a good time to work on other stuff. I'm getting back into my Spanish lessons and maybe I will try learning Photoshop. Maybe at some point they will introduce new loot for emblems of heroism, like the badges of justice, but I really doubt it. I might not renew until next expansion.

I'll still read the boards though, so as far as you guys know; I never left

Source for BoA stuff

[Gadzooks]

I think a lot of people see MBing as an easy path to epics. *shrug*. We all have our reasons for doing it - I like the tinkering aspect, and the solo aspect, the end game quite frankly bores me, and I could care about tier gear. But, a lot of people focus on that, as their ultimate target or focus, for motivation. I'm fine with what I can get through crafting and quests, and when i can afford 5 accounts, I'll go for dungeon and Heroic gear. It's all good.

What I've seen lately in the non-MB community is the usual nonsense - "casuals" complaining about how hard raid content is, and everyone complaining about their class and the upcoming nerfs and buffs. I'm not seeing a flood of "I quit! QQ" posts, there were more at the release of Wrath. What i'm seeing is a TON of compromised accounts, and I saw some of teh mini-ban wave the last couple of weeks. Interesting, still not sure what triggered it. (The only reason I care is to make sure there's not something we do that could trigger it). I saw that people are actually falling for the alpha of the next expansion, fer god's sake.

It's all about balance. If you can't balance wow with the rest of your life, you'll have problems, and eventually, you will burn out. I play 2-3 days a week. Today I'm not logging in, I worked on other things. I've never understood how people can't control this.

[Redbeard]

We already had this discussion in the other thread Fur. The only reason its about getting epics is because thats the only way to advance your character. Id beat on people with a tree branch if they gave me some other way to advance my people (in power, not cosmetically).

[Multibocks]

While I understand your point of view - I find this new wave of "I can't get better gear by dong easier content so I quit" theme a little strange.

I wonder how much of the non-multiboxing crowd this is effecting? How many are quitting because the arenas doing rain epics anymore? hmm.

I dabbled in arena a little, but I have zero gear from it. I just dont like arena. I'm not looking for it to rain epics. I just want something to work for, yes even at easier content. I know it rubs the uber-elites the wrong way, but seriously, if I want to turn in 200+ emblems for one piece of t7.5 gear... why does that make you so angry? You will be in T8 soon and I will be working on ONE piece of T7.5 for weeks. Apparently Blizzard didnt like how Badges of Justice allowed you to skip T5 content and they wont do that again. So basically that means I will probably enjoy each new expansion and gear reset and then get bored when I can no longer advance my characters. And, no, achievements are not it.

I took this quote from the link I gave earlier, its a snippet and the person doesnt fully agree with my PoV, but I like his reasoning.

I want to be able to at least feel I can progress my character in some way outside of those instances even if the effort-reward ratio is extremely high-extremely low. I have no interest in Farming heroics with the prospect of nothing but 1 piece of gear for an alt. I would rather work hard to get gear for my main character, whom I enjoy playing.

*Disclaimer* This suggestion means "shock" 10man/heroic peeps can grab some EoV loot. What is this EoV loot? Let's see, a ring, boots, bracers, a cloak, two tier pieces.

Hardly the full gear up, is it? And to get all of the above you need to farm how many badges exactly? well over 200. I would hardly call the kind of person who sets off with the mindset "I must farm 2000+ EoH to get the EoV gear" a casual. If they are a casual player, it will take them even longer.

Why does it bother you if it takes this player X months/years to get pieces of gear with the same level as the 25man drops? Hmmm? "Do the content get the reward" Fine.

Remove Tier 7 and 7.5 peices from badge vendors "Tier is raid loot only"
Remove PvP gear for badges
Remove Titansteel weapons being comparable to 10man drops.
etc...

Because by your proxy, the ONLY way to acheive gear of 25man level (213+) is to raid 25mans.

So let's apply this rule across the board.

The simple fact is, it is the 25man raiders who would benefit most from this, but people cannot see past their own elitist ego and accept it. They would rather keep people off their loot level than improve their own. PATHETIC.

I couldn't give a flying toss about the guy who runs 10man and heroics only. I care about MY character and how I wish to progress it. I do not see how blizzard expect the heroic situation to change by adding "more heirloom loot, a few more itemz"

People like me, who are aiming for level 213+ items could care less about level 200 items in most cases. It's not going to make me go back and run heroics. It will merely keep the people who run 10man/heroic only going for a little bit longer, and do nothing for the 25man raiders unless they are into their alts. So nothing will change.

i would like to think heroics are not completely obslete for me unless I wish to affect a character other than the one I run them as. That seems utterly stupid. So basically what the credo here is, "if you like reaching (what you guys call the HARDER) progression level we'll reward you by making dungeon runs pointless for you, but hey you can gear up your alts! You love the the challenge of raiding, so you must love your alts!"

[Bigfish]

I'm more or less at the same point myself, although I don't really care about loot. I'll work up to the best available, but so long as gear level isn't keeping me from content, I don't really care what I'm wearing.

What I care about is progressing the story. Once I clear out Icecrown, I'm more or less out of things to do. I can farm Gold, heroics, raids, etc, but truth be told, farming and whacking the loot pinata gets old real quickly, especially when the loot pinata only gets refreshed once a week. As it stands, I have, at best, a few more weeks of play time before I cancel my accounts and find something else to do.

Of course, Ulduar gets released in a few weeks, but still, all I see out of it is more raiding and a new arena season, which is fine, but since I don't really care about either, its a meaningless patch for me.

[Svpernova09]

I see both sides, as a multiboxer I'd want something to work for as well. As a solo raider, why should you be able to farm 200 hero badges and get something along the level of Ulduar? Its not fair to the people who devote time to a raiding team to go in and drop content. The reason Blizzard won't let you do this is because it would devalue the higher content. I think if they ever did such, I'd finally quit. Who would raid T8/9 level content when they could farm Naxx. (Just like people farmed kara for 150 badge weapons that were ~T5/6) Blizzard acknowledged the Badge system in BC was flawed, thats why they've fixed it in Wrath.

GL with whatever you get yourself into. Photoshop is a lot of fun and very much worth learning imo.

[Hachoo]

I'm very close as well. I'm down to only playing WoW a couple times a week for an hour now just to run VH to try to finish my video - theres not really much else I want to do in the game. Hard to justify $75/mo for that... especially in these times. Will probably cancel my accounts soon also, at least for ~6 months or so and then I'm sure the game will become interesting again.

[Multibocks]

I see both sides, as a multiboxer I'd want something to work for as well. As a solo raider, why should you be able to farm 200 hero badges and get something along the level of Ulduar? Its not fair to the people who devote time to a raiding team to go in and drop content. The reason Blizzard won't let you do this is because it would devalue the higher content. I think if they ever did such, I'd finally quit. Who would raid T8/9 level content when they could farm Naxx. (Just like people farmed kara for 150 badge weapons that were ~T5/6) Blizzard acknowledged the Badge system in BC was flawed, thats why they've fixed it in Wrath.

GL with whatever you get yourself into. Photoshop is a lot of fun and very much worth learning imo.

edited:

I changed the tone of this, it was too sarcastic. Basically I do not see how its unfair to raiders that are currently farming T8 and T8.5 that some nub is running heroics to get T7.5 badge loot at an exchange rate of 10 to 1. No one in there right mind would think that is unfair to the raiders. I think you misunderstood what I was asking for, I want to be able to get T7.5 emblem loot with an exchange of 10 emblems of heroism to 1 emblem of valor. So I dont see how your raider comment even applies as they will be farming Ulduar. No one in their right mind would farm 10man Naxx to exchange those for 25 man Naxx emblem loot. Why do that when they can farm 10 man Ulduar for much better loot?

[Bigfish]

I'd argue the badge system, in so far as raiding goes, is flawed only in that they have set Heroics and 10-mans on the same badge level, and with 25-man naxx with 10-man ulduar. I understand that badges in raids are an incentive to help clear even if you get no drops personally, but what it comes down to unrelated progression paths being bunched unnecesarily together.

In my opinion, they should have 3 seperate PvE gear sets: 1 available from heroic badges, 1 available as drops from 10-man, 1 available as drops from 25-man. You still get badges from raiding, but only to artificialize drops to give something out to the unlucky.

At which point, you also get similar development time: ie, a new 5-man for every new raid, with hard modes and incentives that make the new 5-man a bit more reward-giving, but not trivializing current heroics.

That, or get rid of that damn week-long lock out on 10-mans.

[Multibocks]

I would like it if they introduced a new 5 man every content patch. Like Magister's Terrace. Introduce new emblem of heroism loot each patch, it doesnt have to be raid level loot, just something slightly better than what currently exists for heroism. So the new stuff would be item level 220 instead of the 213(?) that exists now. Not a gigantic improvement, but SOMETHING for me to go after. There is no carrot in the game that exists for me at this point.