5 Rogues and talent advice needed

[Multibocks]

WTH I thought I was the only one up this early. Well, only when work makes me stay up all night that is...

[FIra]

The reason Trinkets take you out of stealth is because of rogues that would trinket then ambush and do a ton of damage. I guess it was OP. I can't wait to hit your level I'm only 44 now but I'm about to head to the hinterlands so it's all good. I'm messing around with talents for my final build and I'm still wondering which way I wanna go, either dagger sub or sword combat spec. Either way it's gonna be fun. I'm still using these lvl 22 swords but I kill stuff so fast.

I saw ur video, killing spree looks awesome. What's great is the energy regen talents we get in that tree with vitality and chance to offhand hits.

[blast3r]

The reason Trinkets take you out of stealth is because of rogues that would trinket then ambush and do a ton of damage. I guess it was OP. I can't wait to hit your level I'm only 44 now but I'm about to head to the hinterlands so it's all good. I'm messing around with talents for my final build and I'm still wondering which way I wanna go, either dagger sub or sword combat spec. Either way it's gonna be fun. I'm still using these lvl 22 swords but I kill stuff so fast.

I saw ur video, killing spree looks awesome. What's great is the energy regen talents we get in that tree with vitality and chance to offhand hits.

I'm having a hard time with getting a single button to include /cast [stealth] Ambush; Backstab followed by /use 13 /use 14 then /castsequence. If the rogues aren't right behind the target they just stay stealthed until I can get them behind the target. I have tried a lot of variations and just can't get it to work right. Perhaps I will need to use another button to cast stealth attacks then have one button for regular combat. I was also hoping to include disarm ability as well but if the mob doesn't have any weapons armed the macros gets stuck on it. boo hoo...i wanted my super 'one button' roflstomp

[FIra]

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I think This will be my final build at 80 depending on how good shadow step/shadow dance is compared to killing spree. TotT - 25% damage increase with glyph. Master of sub gives 10% boost for 6seconds but will last through the full effect of shadow dance, or it should. (don't know if shadow step will reapply it. Shadow step gives my next attack a 20% increase. Then through other talents i get 15% agi and 10% atk power.

so the rotation will be: /stealth - TotT - Ambushx3/cs/garrote - backstab(shouldkill) next target - shadowstep - shadowdance - ambush - ambush

This will roughly take 9 - 10 seconds for the energy needed. After casting shadowstep and shadow dance I should be getting a full + 55% damage ambush.

[Tasty]

The reason Trinkets take you out of stealth is because of rogues that would trinket then ambush and do a ton of damage. I guess it was OP. I can't wait to hit your level I'm only 44 now but I'm about to head to the hinterlands so it's all good. I'm messing around with talents for my final build and I'm still wondering which way I wanna go, either dagger sub or sword combat spec. Either way it's gonna be fun. I'm still using these lvl 22 swords but I kill stuff so fast.

I saw ur video, killing spree looks awesome. What's great is the energy regen talents we get in that tree with vitality and chance to offhand hits.

I'm having a hard time with getting a single button to include /cast [stealth] Ambush; Backstab followed by /use 13 /use 14 then /castsequence. If the rogues aren't right behind the target they just stay stealthed until I can get them behind the target. I have tried a lot of variations and just can't get it to work right. Perhaps I will need to use another button to cast stealth attacks then have one button for regular combat. I was also hoping to include disarm ability as well but if the mob doesn't have any weapons armed the macros gets stuck on it. boo hoo...i wanted my super 'one button' roflstomp

I have two separate buttons for stealth

/cast !stealth and /cast [stance] stealth - I know its more buttons to press but I'm often in and out of stealth so I try to avoid the one button type dealios. Btw its fun to stealth off your flying mounts into a SS ambush on a mounted player

Do you plan on putting your disarm on a cast sequence. Atm I have Sap, Disarm, Kidney Shot and blind on CS's. The Kideny Shot ... I dont use too much atm cause everything dies too fast. Sap works real well and so does blind. Blind is so awesome in PvP you can blind 5 at a time or just one person and the beauty is if your mains blind is down you know that you have four on backup. Its also quite easy to get 5 saps off, I usually dont bother wasting sprint but at the moment if I dont sap fast enough the CS resets (might just change that)

I also spent an hour redoing macros the other day so things are a lot better. I've been boxing for a year and its like the first time I've bothered to setup follow macros in case my main dies lol.

Also finally got around to making my /cast [stealth Ambush; Backstab macro and I also fixed up my Garupture© macros. Originally I had Garrote bound to my 9 key while stealthed and rupture bound to my - key while unestealthed. While this was working sort of okay it got a bit annoying. Some times one of the rogues wouldnt attack due to lag or not having a target at the time or whatever and so when I pushed 9 again to get the last rogue to attack the rest would use a trinket hehe :P so now I can spam 9 and they will all get their casts off.

My last pointless note is just that Honor among thieves is the most overpowered multiboxing ability out there Was raiding za/mag/gruul and it took only seconds to get full points on my targets I also tested out deadly through at nesings camp in SB (was pvping) If you cast cold blood and prep then deadly throw someone you instantly get back up to 5 points so you get another full rank deadly throw. I've killed playerds with 18k hp with deadly throw alone lol :P


Fin

@Flra I've really been itching to try out killing spree since the beginning but never quite got around to it so I'm waiting for dual specs now :|

As for the Shadow dance - let me know how that works out for you, I had a bit of trouble with it myself but that was most likely due to macros and level I think. I'm assuming now at 80 it would probably be a whole lot easier to use.

[Kayley]

Sounds like fun. GL little rogues ^_^

[blast3r]

Tasty you are a nut.

I found a some abilities would get hung up so I changed my melee button. Here are my current macros:

/dismount
/stopmacro [nomod]
/assist [mod:SHIFT,nomod:alt,nomod:ctrl,target=Rowg][mod:CTRL,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=RÒwg][mod:SHIFT,mod:CTRL,nomod:alt,target=RÓwg][mod:ALT,nomod:ctrl,nomod:shift,target=RÕwg][mod:SHIFT,mod:ALT,nomod:ctrl,target=RÖwg]
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0 
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/use 13
/use 14
/castsequence  reset=10/target/combat Shiv, Kick, Sinister Strike, Sinister Strike, Gouge, Expose Armor, Sinister Strike, Sinister Strike, Sinister Strike, Shiv, Slice and Dice
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1

This is my stealth button for my main. I was thinking about adding a castsequence for sap (would have to create new keyclone hotstrings, though.

/cast [nostealth] stealth
/castsequence [stealth] Sap, Pick Pocket

[FIra]

Sadly Next patch Honor among Thieves will proc 1 every second, so It might mess up combo point builds. Kinda sucks because I think 5x cold blood crits will only generate 1 point unless you round robin it, but that would mean you waste 5 seconds.

[genocyde]

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Drop Vile Poisons and Dirty Tricks and pick up Relentless strikes. There are probably less than 2% lvl 80 rogues without this talent.... It is awesome.

so the rotation will be: /stealth - TotT - Ambushx3/cs/garrote - backstab(shouldkill) next target - shadowstep - shadowdance - ambush - ambush

Your new rotation could be: /stealth - (Cloak of shadows + evasion + sprint + premeditation) - Ambushx3/cs/garrote - Eviscerate (costs 0 energy and you will have 4 combo points after premed+opener); Next target - shadowstep - shadowdance - ambushx3/cs/garrote - Ambush. You almost have to have the cs/garrote on every opener to prevent the target from turning to face you or moving out of range.

This will roughly take 9 - 10 seconds for the energy needed. After casting shadowstep and shadow dance I should be getting a full + 55% damage ambush.

Moving from backstab to eviscerate will up your damage and save you a large chunk of energy dropping your total time.

You really should get in the habit of hitting a cloak of shadows + evasion + sprint macro before you engage as this is what makes rogues so annoying. First time you don't you will catch a trinket+fear or a Trinket+bladestorm.

Also when your done don't forget to hit Vanish then Preparation and do it all over again!

And use eviscerate any time your above 3-4 combo points. It costs 0 energy and is seriously nasty. My record Evisc crit is 14.6k in arena

[Multibocks]

14.6k.... judas priest!