5 Rogues and talent advice needed

[genocyde]

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Only real things I would change for me is

move ruthlessness to improved eviscerate. How often are you going to build combo points AND use a finishing move without killing something

get rid of lethality and put the points into master of deception and heightened senses. Those 2 talents are 100% necessary for any PvP and lethality pretty much only effects backstab which you won't use often in PvP if ever.

Personally I would ditch ghostly strike and put 2nd point in dirty tricks or somewhere else. Since the dodge nerf to rogues it just isn't that great anymore.

Keep in mind thats for my tastes as an 80 PvP rogue. Leveling, such things like ghostly strike can negate a lot of downtime from eating or bandaging or w/e and you may just like having the extra non-positional skill.

[Tasty]

I'm keeping things simple for now and pretty much just have two buttons (well, 4 if you count they are FTL setup). Stealth and then my melee macro which uses /cast and then castrandom. Shadowstep just rocks. omfg...can't wait to do some bgs with these guys.

Yeah at level 76 I'm still finding things are pretty simple. Rogues dont have that many skills in comparison to some other clases lol :P and I have yet to try out a BG but I'm more of a World PvP person myself.

Do you plan on doing areana with them? I was talking with a guildy yesterday about it. 3v3 would just be soooo unfair. Stealth/Shadowstep kill healer, vanish...stealth/shadowstep kill one more and it is then game over. I am wondering if 5v5 might be fun in arena.

Yeah I'll prolly do arena each week for the points. Chances are I'll lose every single game but it will be just like with my old team. I'll get owned by overgeared teams. Next season comes round and I get my 'welfare' gear. I own the overgeared teams :P

For the record Killing Spree is the most annoying skill in WoW for a boxer. As of the last time I spec'd combat, it not only breaks follow but also removes that player from /focus in all ways. So you have to re /focus before /follow or anything like that. PITA

I'm still running an old ass /cast [target=main-target] system so meh as for the follow stopping, as it stands I dont have /follow at the end of my attack macros as I prefer my alts to stop moving when they attack until I hit follow again. May seem strange but its just my preferred play style atm.

Walk up in stealth; 5x Tricks of the trade in a circle (all 5 toons get the benefit 15% dmg); 4x garrote 1x cheapshot; 5x killing spree; should raise your bleed + poison damages by 20% along with the 15% from TotT, with all that flying around you could potentially drop half a team of clothies in 1 attack.

With tricks of the trade at the moment I've tried it and I think one rogue will always miss out on it as when you cast it on someone who cast it on you one of them cancels the other out, so when I'm doing old school raids I can cast five on the main tank for 75%more damage or when I'm leveling I can cast four on my main rogue for 60% more damage. But yeah you're right even with just one rogue having the buff atm its still around 25-30k damage worth of dots (inc deadly poison)

move ruthlessness to improved eviscerate. How often are you going to build combo points AND use a finishing move without killing something

Its mainly for the dks and other tank classes as direct damage seems pretty ineffective. Premeditation + ruthlessness means Ill get a full damage garrote/rupture on them straight off the bat. You can then /vanish and watch them run in circles till they die.

edit: forgot to mention I'm a bit torn up at the moment. I have a few points left on my way to eighty and I'm not sure if I want to get cheat death or honour among thieves.

I also just remembered they changed feint recently so I looked it up on thottbot and they gave it a 50% aoe damage reduction as well /palmface (woulda come in handy last night, was vsing guildie shaman boxer in the arena and the totems absolutely slaughtered me)

[genocyde]

Cheat death now scales with resilience. Skip that talent until your over 750 resilience

[Tasty]

Cheat death now scales with resilience. Skip that talent until your over 750 resilience

I checked on wowwiki and you need 444 res to hit the 90% dr cap so yeah you're right, think I'll just skip that one for now :|


Mayswell bring this up in here.

"Hysteria, Tricks of the Trade, Enrage, Wrecking Crew, Death Wish, Arcane Power, Owlkin Frenzy, Beast Within, and Avenging Wrath damage bonuses no longer stack together."

Kinda sucks but just saw the new glyphs. Tricks of the trade gives 10% more damage and Fan of Knives gives 20% more damage

At least the threat component still stacks

[blast3r]

Still having a lot of fun with this team. Should be in northrend this weekend where I can get some better gear.

I started having some world pvp fun with them. Sapping an alliance and then standing in front of him about 20 yards away and unstealth one toon and then /dance. Hehe. oh boy is that fun. They take the bait every single time! hehe..fun fun

[blast3r]

Well, I respec'd Combat to play around with Killing Spree. Holy crap i totally love it. I don't mind losing focus/follow. I just hit my follow button that I always hit. This ability is incredible. Hit "Killing Spree" button once and your rogues are hitting every target within 10 yards (up to 5) and all have poisons stacked and usually stunned and very low on health if not already dead. Another thing I use this for is when in melee fight with a player who keeps running around in circles on me. Just hit killing spree and he is pretty much toast.

I have a lot of work to do on my macros and rotation this weekend. I am still not super familiar with Rogue abilities and how you should fit them in a rotation. I searched Google and couldn't come up with any good 'single button' spamables that satisfied me.

I am used to using my trinkets in melee combat and it has never shown to be a problem until now. Most trinkets I have gotten seem to take you out of stealth and removes your ability to use a stealth ability such as ambush. I have one trinket that seems to work fine but most others have always screwed that up. It would be nice to have the advantage of increased attack power when using abilities such as ambush. What I may end up doing is loading the trinkets under the /cast [stealth] ability and just use trinkets for the rest of the fight. Kinda sucks but lemonade from lemons i guess.

If anyone can post their rogue macros/rotation it would be greatly appreciated.

[Multibocks]

This really needs a few videos, I can imagine the hilarity. Only thing that bothers me is once vanish is down, what do you do when all your rogues are caught in the open? It seems like this crew would be awesome for taking out 2-3 enemies and then after that ???

Also, I need to stop reading this board. LOL I almost re-installed wow to try out 5 rogues :whistling:

[blast3r]

This really needs a few videos, I can imagine the hilarity. Only thing that bothers me is once vanish is down, what do you do when all your rogues are caught in the open? It seems like this crew would be awesome for taking out 2-3 enemies and then after that ???

Also, I need to stop reading this board. LOL I almost re-installed wow to try out 5 rogues :whistling:

Sometimes you get left out in the open but have other tools at your disposal. If vanish is on cooldown (2 minutes with talent points) I can 'dash' to get away a bit if needed. If I am in combat with a player it will get me far enough away to escape. Also you can use "Bllind" to disorient the target for 10 seconds (i don't have that macro'd at the moment). I might try to work on an escape macros that tries to vanish, if not does a round robin Blind then dash. Or I just turn around and fight..maybe I die..i don't care. There are a lot of abilities that let you silence/stun the target and the chance of that increases if you have 5 rogues!

One of the side effects of just having a rogue team is unexpected fun. Just a half hour ago I was in dragonblight doing a quest and unstealthed one of my rogues to loot something and a druid saw me and moonfired the rogue to death. But he didn't realize there were 5 of me. Needless to say my other 4 rogues at lvl 72 ROFLStomped this fully epic'd druid in about 10 seconds. funny as hell. I CAN'T WAIT to get these guys to 80 and hit some of the battlegrounds.

[Multibocks]

Must resist leveling rogues.... oh and make some movies! Well, if you get the time.

[blast3r]

Must resist leveling rogues.... oh and make some movies! Well, if you get the time.

I'm recording some off and on now. I need to go dig out Adobe Premier/After Effects from a box in a closet..somewhere..toooo many boxes in my house!