Auction House Prices will be drastically changing

[DallasWolf]

The Death of this program will not do much to the botting world due to the fact that there are so many other botting programs out there and they will continue to devolp more and more.. Gold buying is a Multi Million dollor machine that has to be feed..

[DallasWolf]

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Honestly I think that the Ah prices wont notably change. Yes, there are people that bot a lot and farm a lot doing it. But they aren't as successful as the real people doing the same thing and they compete against those people. All said and done you are dealing with a very small percentage of a VERY large pond, it's like saying that the oceans going to change because suddenly everyone stopped peeing in it when they swim.
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[Moorea]

I recently reported an obvious robot (some hunter killing yetis and skinning them - they still exist) and the GM said live he'll personally look into it - 3 days later the robot is still online botting... so...

How obvious? I got reported for "Botting" when I was farming WhipperRoot Tubers back in retail release... for 9 hours I picked up the same tuber every 25 minutes... I had a desktop timer set to 25 minutes, and was programming on my other monitor. I'd tab in, loot, tab out. After 9 hours I was contacted by a GM, told him what I was doing, and kept farming for another 4-5 hours.

It was a bot. it was actively auto targetting killing skinning mobs - at somepoint I had it attacking me - I was running in circle in/out range and it would just turn without moving and face me and shot me only when it can (without moving in range; or fleeing either) then a mob started attacking it in its back and it still trying to "finish" me (I was at least 20 levels above) while dying from the mob on its back. Also you could tag mobs and it would conciously kill them for you etc... anyone there would see it was a bot in how the sequence and tracking etc... was always exactly the same and lack of reaction to actual environment

[Dgc2002]

Ok, so a guild mate online just informed me that this program was only 1 of many apps that do the exact same thing
and are still in operation...
how he knew that i didnt ask but yeh
if he's right then there is no hope

Well, hes kind of right.

Theres a few other bots out there, none of them offer anything special from what i've heard. The one that just got shut down was the most developed by far. It offered a lot of features others lack, one of the main +s to it was its protection against warden(the software blizzard uses to detect bots). Other bots are pretty subject to detection if blizzard takes interest in it.

[Mooni]

One of the first people to ever speak to me once I downloaded Keyclone circa 2007 asked me
"are you familiar... with a program... called GIRDLE*?"

*name cleverly anagramed so I don't get b&

Naturally I flipped the fudge out and told them that that's a bot, and illegal, but keyclone is love.

All this is a way of introducing the point I'm going to make about auction houses: If they jack prices up even more, I'm just going to undercut even more. I've heard the arguements in Lineage II about how bots actually help the whole world and economy out, how farmable mats are available to the masses at rock-bottom prices because of the countless bots out there botting their bots botfully.
That's such a load though. Obviously it's in their best interest to drive the economy up, so that they can sell more gold for cash. So the people who sit in the auction house all day buying and reselling to jack up prices, I put them on the side of the gold farmers. Therefore they are an enemy and must be handled with an aggressive undercutting posture.
In the end, if anyone price-hikes our auction house (And Moon Guard has the most overpriced economy I've ever encountered) they can either buy my crap for a lower price to resell, or stare at it as it sells and wait till it's gone before they can sell another.
Talkin bout money homie, I ain't concerned.

[Dgc2002]

One of the first people to ever speak to me once I downloaded Keyclone circa 2007 asked me
"are you familiar... with a program... called GIRDLE*?"

*name cleverly anagramed so I don't get b&

Naturally I flipped the fudge out and told them that that's a bot, and illegal, but keyclone is love.

All this is a way of introducing the point I'm going to make about auction houses: If they jack prices up even more, I'm just going to undercut even more. I've heard the arguements in Lineage II about how bots actually help the whole world and economy out, how farmable mats are available to the masses at rock-bottom prices because of the countless bots out there botting their bots botfully.
That's such a load though. Obviously it's in their best interest to drive the economy up, so that they can sell more gold for cash. So the people who sit in the auction house all day buying and reselling to jack up prices, I put them on the side of the gold farmers. Therefore they are an enemy and must be handled with an aggressive undercutting posture.
In the end, if anyone price-hikes our auction house (And Moon Guard has the most overpriced economy I've ever encountered) they can either buy my crap for a lower price to resell, or stare at it as it sells and wait till it's gone before they can sell another.
Talkin bout money homie, I ain't concerned.

actually the botters i've talked with rarely try to drive up prices. If you woke up every morning with bags full of mats you wouldn't want the mats taking up bag space, you sell at the current market price(if you don't undercut). Its not about the price you sell the items for its about the volume of items you can move. Only a couple botters i've talked to do it for real life money, most do it to supply their raid materials or level an account from 1-80.