SHAMAN CHANGES WEWT > TS while stunned > EARTHBIND ROOT AND MORE !

[BobGnarly]

healing stream is more of an issue than mana stream, imo.

i have no experience, tbh. my shamans are only just about to hit 70.. but for heroics stacked healing stream HAS to be one of the key factors of a shaman team. not only do you not have the extra healing now, but you will have to spend time/mana interrupting DPS to outheal aoe damage that your totems used to take care of? big difference.

it feels like an extra kick in the rear end since 5 minutes ago they werent talking about nerfing totems, they were talking about combining mana/healing, which is literally THE feature that got me excited enough to actually reopen my wow accounts a couple of weeks ago. now theyve not only flushed that, but decided to add an extra nerf into the mix. over it at this stage. thinking about either rerolling to another class or just letting my subscription expire if this actually goes through.

i do ilke the idea of multiple priests or druids. druids particularly since i think they would be decent for PvP and PvE. spending two weeks leveling shamans seems like i wasted my time now.

It hurts, yes, but it's not even close to "one of the key factors of a shaman team" imo.

It would vary for every person (talents/gear/how much you hate drinking ), I'm sure, but I typically drop 1xmana,3xhealing. If I need any resist totem (which is quite frequently), it replaces one of the healing streams. I even sometimes run 2 resist totems, which brings me down to 1x healing stream. My group makes it just fine, and yes, some of these fights are heavy aoe dmg fights too.

I'm not happy about it either, but it isn't groundbreaking. I would recommend staying on target and getting those shaman to 80.

[knopstr]

I still can't find where it says that "healing streams" no longer stack.

Someone on page 1 or 2 stated that "healing" totems will no longer stack and I can't find any evidence of that. I do see in the patch notes that "mana streams" won't, but I have yet to see the "healing streams" in an official or patch note release.

Any further thoughts?

[emesis]

I still can't find where it says that "healing streams" no longer stack.

Someone on page 1 or 2 stated that "healing" totems will no longer stack and I can't find any evidence of that. I do see in the patch notes that "mana streams" won't, but I have yet to see the "healing streams" in an official or patch note release.

Any further thoughts?

Anytime something goes "raid wide" - it no longer stacks. Mana spring and healing stream are going raid wide (they are only party right now).

Good bye stacking.

I also asked for a citation for this and have heard none. Can you cite a source for healing stream totem going raid-wide? With it no longer being combined with mana stream, I don't see why they would do this. They would have to nerf the heal per tick to like 50 or so (with end-game level SP bonuses) for this not to be overpowered in terms of HPS.

Ghostcrawler was pretty clear about the reasons for making MS raid-wide; they were concerned that providing a party-based mana regen tool outside of BoW and replenishment was going to cause shaman stacking (with raids putting a shaman in each mana-using group to deal with the increased mana pressure that Ulduar will apparently bring). I see no such discussion for healing stream totem.

Please don't fan the flames of Shammy panic without being sure of your facts (PTR anyone?) or at least providing a citation.

[Jezebel]

It hurts, yes, but it's not even close to "one of the key factors of a shaman team" imo.

It would vary for every person (talents/gear/how much you hate drinking ), I'm sure, but I typically drop 1xmana,3xhealing. If I need any resist totem (which is quite frequently), it replaces one of the healing streams. I even sometimes run 2 resist totems, which brings me down to 1x healing stream. My group makes it just fine, and yes, some of these fights are heavy aoe dmg fights too.

I'm not happy about it either, but it isn't groundbreaking. I would recommend staying on target and getting those shaman to 80.

well, its a big enough difference from how the totems work now. but i reopened my accounts with the impression that the combination of healing/mana totems was a done deal. so, you can see why going from that to this is more than a little bit disappointing. i probably will stick with my shamans purely because ive already spent this much time with them and i want to get my paladin to 80.. if for no other reason than ill have a toon ready to boost my new group if/when i decide to drop the shamans =/

[Rin]

I can't find any evidence that Healing Stream totem is going raid wide...

I've checked on the official forums, MMO-Champion, (even read a WoWInsider story today where someone mentions that Healing Stream on the PTR still stacks) etc.

Am I just missing it or what?

I've seen this:

Mana Spring Totem is now Raid wide but does not stack with Blessing of Wisdom

But nothing related to Healing Stream totem.

Citations please.

[Jezebel]

i agree with Fursphere.. there is no way they would make healing stream or mana stream stackable and raid-wide. theyve been focusing on making mana more of a factor in raiding. making mana stream raid-wide and leaving it stackable would completely defeat that goal.. as for healing stream being stackable and raid-wide? clearly that would completely trivialize a lot of PvE damage.

could you imagine 25mans? 1 tank 24 ele shamans. whats a healer? lol

[emesis]

i agree with Fursphere.. there is no way they would make healing stream or mana stream stackable and raid-wide. theyve been focusing on making mana more of a factor in raiding. making mana stream raid-wide and leaving it stackable would completely defeat that goal.. as for healing stream being stackable and raid-wide? clearly that would completely trivialize a lot of PvE damage.

could you imagine 25mans? 1 tank 24 shamans. whats a healer? lol

OMG READ THE POSTS PLEASE.

NO-ONE has provided ANY support in this thread for the assertion that healing stream totem is going raid-wide.

IT IS NOT GOING RAID WIDE until proven otherwise.

[Jezebel]

OMG READ THE POSTS PLEASE.

NO-ONE has provided ANY support in this thread for the assertion that healing stream totem is going raid-wide.

IT IS NOT GOING RAID WIDE until proven otherwise.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15659707835&sid=1

four seconds on google provides all sorts of miraculous confirmation, no?

[Rin]

@Jezebel -

The link you provided is about the Mana Stream totem going Raid wide and not stacking. Someone here mentioned earlier that Healing Stream will be going raid wide. We're trying to find information related to that fact...

To quote Blue on your link,

We are making a change to these spells so that their benefits are exclusive in patch 3.1.0. The buffs will be equivalent, but will no longer stack. Mana Spring will affect the entire raid instead of just the shaman’s party. We felt that both paladins and shamans brought too many unique buffs to a group. Additionally, we have been trying to tone down mana regeneration in large groups, and were concerned raids would feel the need to stack paladins or especially shaman to have enough Mana Spring totems. We have also been trying to get more benefits out of the party and into the raid, and Mana Spring previously was still a party only buff. With this change, if there is only one paladin, he or she can bring Blessing of Kings while the shaman offers Mana Spring. If there are two paladins and the second offers Blessing of Wisdom, then the shaman can offer healing or cleansing with their water totem instead.

Blue post -> "these spells" referring to Blessing of Wisdom and the Mana Spring totem.

This change affects mana stream only. There is no mention of healing stream in this post.

[Jezebel]

i see your point, its not explicitly stated in his post but its fairly obviously implied. going to the effort of making BoW and mana spring mutually exclusive while allowing unlimited stack-able mana springs would be completely illogical. same goes for healing stream. unlimited raid-wide healing streams would just be ridiculous and game breaking. clearly it will not stack.