Quote Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=185057#po st185057
While I understand your point of view - I find this new wave of "I can't get better gear by dong easier content so I quit" theme a little strange.

I wonder how much of the non-multiboxing crowd this is effecting? How many are quitting because the arenas doing rain epics anymore? hmm.
I dabbled in arena a little, but I have zero gear from it. I just dont like arena. I'm not looking for it to rain epics. I just want something to work for, yes even at easier content. I know it rubs the uber-elites the wrong way, but seriously, if I want to turn in 200+ emblems for one piece of t7.5 gear... why does that make you so angry? You will be in T8 soon and I will be working on ONE piece of T7.5 for weeks. Apparently Blizzard didnt like how Badges of Justice allowed you to skip T5 content and they wont do that again. So basically that means I will probably enjoy each new expansion and gear reset and then get bored when I can no longer advance my characters. And, no, achievements are not it.

I took this quote from the link I gave earlier, its a snippet and the person doesnt fully agree with my PoV, but I like his reasoning.

I want to be able to at least feel I can progress my character in some way outside of those instances even if the effort-reward ratio is extremely high-extremely low. I have no interest in Farming heroics with the prospect of nothing but 1 piece of gear for an alt. I would rather work hard to get gear for my main character, whom I enjoy playing.

*Disclaimer* This suggestion means "shock" 10man/heroic peeps can grab some EoV loot. What is this EoV loot? Let's see, a ring, boots, bracers, a cloak, two tier pieces.

Hardly the full gear up, is it? And to get all of the above you need to farm how many badges exactly? well over 200. I would hardly call the kind of person who sets off with the mindset "I must farm 2000+ EoH to get the EoV gear" a casual. If they are a casual player, it will take them even longer.

Why does it bother you if it takes this player X months/years to get pieces of gear with the same level as the 25man drops? Hmmm? "Do the content get the reward" Fine.

Remove Tier 7 and 7.5 peices from badge vendors "Tier is raid loot only"
Remove PvP gear for badges
Remove Titansteel weapons being comparable to 10man drops.
etc...

Because by your proxy, the ONLY way to acheive gear of 25man level (213+) is to raid 25mans.

So let's apply this rule across the board.

The simple fact is, it is the 25man raiders who would benefit most from this, but people cannot see past their own elitist ego and accept it. They would rather keep people off their loot level than improve their own. PATHETIC.

I couldn't give a flying toss about the guy who runs 10man and heroics only. I care about MY character and how I wish to progress it. I do not see how blizzard expect the heroic situation to change by adding "more heirloom loot, a few more itemz"

People like me, who are aiming for level 213+ items could care less about level 200 items in most cases. It's not going to make me go back and run heroics. It will merely keep the people who run 10man/heroic only going for a little bit longer, and do nothing for the 25man raiders unless they are into their alts. So nothing will change.

i would like to think heroics are not completely obslete for me unless I wish to affect a character other than the one I run them as. That seems utterly stupid. So basically what the credo here is, "if you like reaching (what you guys call the HARDER) progression level we'll reward you by making dungeon runs pointless for you, but hey you can gear up your alts! You love the the challenge of raiding, so you must love your alts!"