Ok mmcookies Im out too!

[Catamer]

yeah, you used to be able to PvP your way to some pretty awsome gear just doing A/V and the other not-so-fun PvP battle grounds.
You could Arena your way to even better gear even if you didn't have a good rating.

but right now, I've done all of the heroics that I can stand, I'll puke if I do one more Gundrak, one more HoL or one more UK.
I'm having a hard time raiding because the raiding guild I joined is west coast and I'm east coast ( so they raid until 1-2 AM for me )
They are an awsome raiding guild but I can't stay up intil 2AM and go to work at 7AM and they do a complete Naxx25 on Tuesday nights ( if only they did it on a weekend :wacko: )

per say I'm pretty miffed you can't get good stuff from Heroism badges. you really can't get a complete set of gear off of badges like you used to in BC.
if you are doing Valor content the instance itself drops better gear than you can get from the Valor badges ( or at least close enough why bother ) and again, you can't get a complete set from the badges like you could in BC.
There is no real reason to run Heroic or Valor content for the badges beyond getting one or two pieces of gear and I've already done that.
I would be trying for more gear sets if there were actually any gear sets to be had from badges.
I'm not happy with the complete lack of gear you can get from badges when you look back and see what you can get from Heroic badges in BC.

so I'm playing around with alts... and northend questing bytes with all of the phase shits, lost of follow or the complete loss of seeing anyone else if they aren't on the same quest.

[Redbeard]

Even if thats true, are you saying that as someone who is exclusively going to do 5 mans is just done til either a) they introduce a new 5 man or b) the next expansion?

You're welcome to that opinion, im just curious if im understanding you correctly.

[Multibocks]

Even if it took me two years to get just the T7.5 chest, if the decision were up to you then you would say no. And I'll tell you why. It's because raiders always want to be this elite group and they do not want to share any of that "prestige" even if it meant I was 2 teirs behind you. It just grinds your gears to think that I did it "the easy way." Sad thing is I bet I could be a better raider than half the people in most raid guilds if judged alone by reaction time and ability. I just dont have a life that enables me to sit in front of my computer during primetime raiding. Oh well, QQ and all that.

[Redbeard]

Lets slant this another way.

5 man is a play style. 10 man is a play style. 25 man is a play style.

So people in naxx and other raids right now doing 10 / 25 mans are at a wall. Theyre wearing best in slot items and have no more room for progression, right? So that sucks. They can just uninstall (or play another character), they cant improve their character. Along comes 3.1 and what is happening? Theyre introducing more raid content. Yay people doing 10 / 25 mans can now continue to advance their characters without changing their play style.

The same is not true for 5 mans. What youre saying is "change your playstyle and you can keep playing". I wont speak for Multibocks but thats what I am lamenting. Put in a new 5 man and ill have nothing to complain about (at least relative to raiders) because well be in the same slot as the raiders (well both be at a wall once we're geared from the best dungeon for that play style).

[Dorffo]

I was really happy with Magister's terrace - kept me busy for a good long while in TBC. Hopefully we see some more 5-mans that follow the Dire Maul / Magister's Terrace curve.

[pinotnoir]

I know how you feel. Once you gear out your team with all the heroic stuff and badge rewards the game is over. I have a crazy work rotation as well. This leaves me unable to join a raiding guild. The best I can do is pug some naxx. PVP is terrible so thats out of the question. Even though my shaman are fully geared with pvp stuff. What is keeping me going so far is working on alt teams. Gear them will keep me busy. I dont think I will make another team after my dk's are geared. At that point I would look for naxx pugs. It would be nice if they released better badge gear and maybe a new 5 man. Have fun during your hiatus.

[Memn]

I don't think it is unfair to allow EoH -> EoV trades at all... The game is all about time.. time is gold, time is progression, time is gear. I recently left my raiding guild and after a couple of weeks of catchin up my boxing team I quickly realized there was no upgrades left for me outside of Naxx or Eye of Eternity... and even then. If you can't progress; whats the point in playing? The carrot is no longer a motivation when you realize you can't possibly reach it...

[Multibocks]

During that time I was not MBing, so I PvP'd and attempted to join a raid guild. Now that my schedule no longer allows raiding (and I really dont enjoy PvP, outside of WG).. well, Im out of things to do. See with Magisters Terrace new loot was introduced, so expensive in badges that I just didnt have the time to get it all. It was great, I felt like I had a reason to log on each day. Now, not so much. I have 2 teams with nowhere to go for upgrades, also there are no other MBers on my server to group up with on Naxx. (And that's if they would be kosher with weird times for raiding.)

[elsegundo]

ok guys.. have a great time whatever you're doing!

[Bigfish]

So what kept you guys playing in BC after you farmed all the badge gear? T5, T6, T6.5 (Sunwell) was all out of reach... why'd you keep playing?

Or if any of you have been playing since launch like me... after you hit the level 60 wall and farmed out all the 5/10 man instances (8/8 Dungeon 1 w00t!) - what did you do then, since you're all so against raiding / pugging?

I switched out during the midpoint of both vanilla and BC for FFXI until new advancement options opened up.