Quote Originally Posted by 'Tombs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=184529#post18 4529
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Dks can PvP, Tank, DPS well
as feral. Keep this argument grounded in PvE and you have a class that can Tank and DPS arguing about a class that can Tank and DPS. PvP is highly anecdotal, comes in many flavors, and depends a lot on group composition. I don't PvP so I am going to leave it at that.
The PvP argument can be somewhat ignored even tho DK's need nerfed in PvP because, well... feral druids are just fine in PvP and almost as strong as DK's. Holy pally's are the real arena OP.

Saying that a Feral can DPS, Tank, and PvP in the same spec is just straight wrong. I have to drastically change my spec around between tank and DPS and it's a hell of a lot more difference than 4 points.

In cat spec I lose 12% straight mitigation (magic and physical), 12% armor from items which may or may not bonus off bear form, 6% dodge, and Infected Wounds (druids version of the boss slowing talent that all tanks have in some way).

In Bear spec I lose about 1k-1.5k DPS off of my kitty.

The big difference lies in the difference between forms and presences. I lose all of my dps abilities and buffs that cat form offers when i go to bear form. Do DK's lose most of their buffs and core abilities to go to frost presence? Honestly, I don't know.

I think theres been a lot of classes complaining about each other with no concept of what's going on with the other class. I just figured I'd educate on the druid perspective. After all we are both in the tanking getting totally nerfed phase here. Our DPS does not compare to DK's, but as of 3.1 it will if the PTR changes go live (i think we may add more but not lose any of whats on there).

Now someone can educate me as to how presence switching and re-speccing affects a DK when trying to tank and DPS or u can continue your thread. I just feel some druids came in here going "HAHA, welcome to hybrid nerfing!" and I saw a few posts of completely druid-uneducated comments saying that we are just as strong as DK's. I don't know if we are or not, but most of the druid comments in here were wrong so far from a raid druids point of view.

From a multiboxing point of view, I wish druids had the kind of AoE tanking a DK does and the 13% spell damage buff and I'm sure DK's wouldn't mind having my health and armor and the fact that i'm crit immune in PvE with no gear on.... but alas my health and armor are toast as of 3.1, I'll just have to be glad i've got battle res and other utility.

EDIT: Typo