EVE Online mission multiboxing ships ?

[Thulos]

Thulos, what are you doing in game thats generating passive income? Did you invest? Research agents?

I buy materials in bulk to produce items in empire and then export them to deep 0.0 stations to sell at a decent markup. Unfortunately what I do requires a lot of startup isk, capital ships fro transportation (a couple billion here) and an alliance/corp that has access to 0.0 space. I typically have between 500m and 1 billion invested in my goods and sell them for about a 20-25% markup. I go through stock about twice a week atm. It's not 100% passive but the amount of effort I put in to making isk ends up being just a couple hours.

There is a bit of passive income to be had in research agents but its probably no more than a couple hundred million a month, but it is completely passive. Playing the market is another way to make easy money but you have to baby sit orders constantly. Even so it doesn't take much effort. I used to make a couple hundred million a week doing it but got bored of it. Basically you find items in the market that have at least a 10% margin between the buy and sell orders as well as having a decent volume. YOu can then setup buy orders for the item and just relist them at a higher value. You are basically just taking advantage of lazy people that want immediate sales. This requires a bit of startup capital and a market hub. You could porbably start off with 100m but it would take a while to build up.

Oh, and unless I'm doing something wrong, it won't let me play my pay account and my trial the same time on the same machine. Can I play multiple pay accounts at the same time, or did that change with the latest expansion?

You cannot run two accounts on one machine if one of them is a trial account. You can do it on multiple machines though.

[Stabface]

I am pretty sure that you can run a trial + another account(s) or multiple trials using fast user switching / separate users in Vista.

[Zzyzxx71]

For running missions the Raven is pretty much the ship of choice for L4 missions. Once you build up money good mission runners move up to a Raven Navy issue and then possibly later on a Golem. If you really want to get fancy with missions then you can train up one of your alts to run a remote repping logistics ship to be your space priest. If your main pilot is a shield tanker (Raven, Drake, etc) then the Basilisk is the ship of choice. If your main is an armor Tanker (Dominix is an example) then you want the Oneiros (Gallente Logistics ship). If I was to make a recomendation for running missions I would do 2 Ravens, 1 Baslisk and one Loot/Salvager. This will shred all level 4 and 5 missions in the game.

FoF missiles are almost entirely worthless for anything in the game. Whatever you do please don't use them. Sure you don't have to pay attention to what you are shooting at but you are going to do absolute crap DPS and this method will take forever to complete missions. Drones are great but the problem with some missions is they will cause the entire room to aggro which could be very bad. You have to know the missions well to be an effective drone user. Don't take this as a diss on drones though because they are awesome. Additionally drones take a lot of micromanagement, because of this they are a very poor choice for a multiboxer.

For running missions there is a great website that has info on all the missions in the game that is usable with the in game browser:
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports

TLDR: Use Ravens for PvE. :thumbup:

My current mission running setup (this is currently with a lvl 4q10 agent) is a CNR, 3xCCC rigs, 7xnavy cruise launchers, a drone link augmentor, 2xDG invuln fields, T2 Damage Control Unit, Gist C Type X Large booster, 2x Navy Boost Amps. 2 T2 Cap Relays and a T2 Cap charger, and 2 Navy BCS's. It's permaboost, but even if they start to break the tank (which is crazy rare.... and takes absolutely forever...) I bring in my 2nd acct flying the Megagistics ship...

Megathron with 4 tractors, 3 salvagers, a large remote repper, the rest is nothing but T2 AB, rechargers and cargo mods. It can haul about 2700m3 with a perma AB flyin around 270mps. He can also deploy 5 large remote shield repair drones

All ammo is mission specific (eve-survival.org). Missions go fast because once I'm past the first 25% of the fight, it's more or less overwith, and the Mega is flyin around haulin in the loot. I don't have any rigs on the mega, but when I do, it'll probably be some cargo or speed rigs...

[Souca]

I went ahead and upgraded the new accounts. Too many skills I can't train on trials and I was already up against them. I'll give CCP this, they made trials flexiable enough to give new players a taste, but limited enough to keep existing players from getting too much out of them while they are free. The big one was that trials can't give money to anyone, so I was a little annoyed after I divied up my main's ISK between them. Oh well, just some free time for the main worst case.

So after taking stock of what I had on my main and how much time and ISK it would take to get the new accounts to where I wanted them skill wise, I've settled into a nice little mining op.

The two Caldari are acting as defense in Kestrels with with a mix of Bloodclaw and Serpent missles. The missles are kinetic so they are pretty effective against Serpentis. These are the rats I deal with since I'm in the Essence region of Gallente space ( main is Gallente and had too much crap to move somewhere else yet ). These two are traiing up to Cruisers right now, should be able to pick up Carcals tomorrow evening. Once I get then in Cruisers, I'm likely to start to take them in different directions. Two cruisers are overkill for 0.5 space where I'm mining, but times when I've had one of the Kestrel's off picking up orders I've found that one frigate just isn't enough defense.

I have a new Gallente working her way down the Gallente Industrial command skills. With my main being Gallente it made more sense than going Minmatar as I already had a Iteron 2 and Iteron 4. She hit level 3 last night and I picked up an Iteron 3 to get the second high slot. She has enough skill to run remote armor repair, so she lets me stay out longer with having to go back for repairs.

The main is flying a Procurer with a modulated strip miner fitted with a crystal for Veldspar. At first I was mining everything but Veldspar, but given the price on Tritanium I'm getting, 3.97 to 4.15 ( I lucked out and managed a decent sized sale at 5.0 over the weekend ), I see the most profit in veldspar followed by Scordite. Unless I'm willing to track down some Kernite, I won't be able to beat the yeild on Veld. I'm aout three days out on getting my Astrogeology up to level 4 so I can upgrade to a Retriever.

By no means am I rolling in the ISK, but I can bring in about 8Mil per asteroid belt just strip mining the Veldspar. I picked up Ice Harvesting last night just to try it out. Perhaps I'm not hitting the good ice, but the value of the product seems rather low. Is this a case of there being little demand in Empire space, or is it more that you need to convert the isotopes into something more valuable.

One of the best and worst things about Eve is that you can pretty much set your own goals. Right now I'm considering a POS for moon mining in the highest sec space I can place one, I'm thinking that its > 0.4, but the docs and wikis are a bit vague. I'm going for low sec over 0.0 because I really want to try a setup that pretty self suficient and see how much I can generate for something I only have to deal with once a week.

Okay, one final thing in this mega post, I was seeing PLEX at 350mil, is that about the average for them? Trying to figure out what my income needs to be to pay for my accounts.

- Souca -

[Alptraum]

If your serious about multiboxing Eve let me know, Im also considering going back to Eve, im burnt out on WoW, plus the new expansion for Eve just came out, so I am definately curious. Im looking at reactivating my main (caldari 20mill SP toon miner/hauler believe I can fly a raven, just do not currently own one ) + my 3 new alts I'll be rolling I figure i'll probably roll out a small mining operation as that seems to be the quickest way I can remember of making money and staying in empire. FAT implants well low risk in .05+ sounds like perfect place to chill to me. I think im bringing another crazy Wow addict with me to eve so if we got a few more serious players together and formed a casual corp we'd be all set (i have corp skills as well if memory serves)

Do we still have anyone multiboxing EVE? I know Bradster was kicking ass there for a while. I'm going to pick back up EVE Online when the new xpack hits (March 10th). My goal is to have accounts that pay for themselves within 6 months, to become filthy rich -- 100B is my long term goal -- and then PVP for the lulz.

Last time I quit I got rid of all my high SP characters so I'll be starting over from scratch skill-wise, I do have my forum posting account alt who has around 500M ISK as a nest egg for when I wanted to come back. So I do have a rather good leg up on getting restarted since I can easily buy ships, skills and implants right off the bat.

[Souca]

If your serious about multiboxing Eve let me know, Im also considering going back to Eve, im burnt out on WoW, plus the new expansion for Eve just came out, so I am definately curious. Im looking at reactivating my main (caldari 20mill SP toon miner/hauler believe I can fly a raven, just do not currently own one ) + my 3 new alts I'll be rolling I figure i'll probably roll out a small mining operation as that seems to be the quickest way I can remember of making money and staying in empire. FAT implants well low risk in .05+ sounds like perfect place to chill to me. I think im bringing another crazy Wow addict with me to eve so if we got a few more serious players together and formed a casual corp we'd be all set (i have corp skills as well if memory serves)

Do we still have anyone multiboxing EVE? I know Bradster was kicking ass there for a while. I'm going to pick back up EVE Online when the new xpack hits (March 10th). My goal is to have accounts that pay for themselves within 6 months, to become filthy rich -- 100B is my long term goal -- and then PVP for the lulz.

Last time I quit I got rid of all my high SP characters so I'll be starting over from scratch skill-wise, I do have my forum posting account alt who has around 500M ISK as a nest egg for when I wanted to come back. So I do have a rather good leg up on getting restarted since I can easily buy ships, skills and implants right off the bat.

Yea, I'm serious. I pruned my wow accounts down to 2 since I didn't expect to be playing much now that I'm enthralled by Eve again. While I'm not 100% sure what I want to do long term, I'm currently content to work toward accounts that cover themselves. Once I have that taken care of I can always leave some sleeper accounts to bake skills while I play active accounts or even go back to Wow if I need a change of scenery.

I'm rounding out my main character right now, while only 3.2 mil SP, he has enough skills to give me flexibility in playstyle. Currently he is 6 hours from being able to start training Battleships and another 2 days from bumping up to a retriever for mining. Both my combat characters are at Caldari Cruisers 2 and once they finish up some missile training they will begin to work on learning skills before the push to Battleships for them. The cargo character is working on some learning skills before she puts the 4 days into Gallente Industrial 4 and then works toward freighters; between her Iteron 3 and my mains Iteron 4 I can move cargo when I need to and she sits idle between trips when I'm mining so there is no hurry.

I created two other trial accounts and set them up to work toward being able to fly Procurers in about 14 days. It's amazing how much you can accomplish skill wise when you know exactly what you want and you can leave a character alone to train. I've really become fond of the planning feature of EveMon. You tell it your end goal in terms of skill, item or ship and it plans out the skills you need and how long they will take. It even suggests learning skills if they will lower the total training time. I plan on creating a couple more trial accounts and setting them up for specific roles. If I find I don't need them, I'm only out the ISK I spent on the skills. If I end up converting the accounts, it's only just over 2 months to Exhumers with the new character skill bonus now.

I find the style of multiboxing that you have with Eve interesting in cntrast to Wow. With wow I had to be playing and paying attention every second or I felt like I was getting behind. I could only progress on as many characters as I could play at once. I had to be there for all the grinding. With Eve, I actually feel like I'm benefiting from having other accounts when I'm not even playing them. If I feel like doing combat or some missions, my mining characters are being wasted; they're just getting better at skills and closer to being able to fly bigger ships. There is still grinding the intial ISK for gear and such, but I don't feel like I'm getting behind if I'm not playing like I did with Wow. If you add in the fact that all the end game goals are goals you set for yourself, then it feels even more liberating. The only thing that can get to me with Eve is that time delay on skills. It drove me crazy when I was playing in the begining, but having multiple accounts makes that less of an issue since you can play other characters while you train those week and month long skills.

297 days until I can fly a Titan. Should be just enough time to earn the money to build one.

- Souca -

[Darthane]

I used to dual box lvl4 missions with a Galante drone Command Ship and a Gallante support cruiser, with right skills you will have about 95% to all your resists in the command ship, throw that into a zone first, agro everything, then have the logistics ship warp in behind and start repairing, even with basic T1 gear your logistics will keep up ok, in the end I had her skills high enough to fit battleship class remote repairers in the cruiser (just 2) but they meant that she could repair anything within 150k of her

Worlds collide was the best money spinner, you could clear that once a day, but not kill the boss at end, salvage it all up (hint, destroyers are the best salvage boats, lots of gun slots for tractors and salvagers and fast as hell) and go grab one from another mission guy, after server maintenance it would repop

The main reason I didn't stay hooked to the game was the downtime every day, in the middle of my peak time :/

[RobinGBrown]

Would anyone be interested in a key to mouse broadcast application for EVE?

i.e. Press a key and the program does a mouse action on each of the clients (switching them to focus as required). It would have to be single clicks rather than complex actions.

Would that be breaking EVE ToS?

Because I have some stuff half developed from when I last played EVE that could be thrown together to make such a tool.

[Zzyzxx71]

I'm in the same situation as the person who posted "Wow on hiatus - Multiboxing Eve".

Currently running 3 accts, can either mine or mission, whatever my heart desires - did a small mining up last night, made 47 million without really even paying attention. Running a Hulk, Retriever and an Orca.

We all wanna get together and set something up?

[Alptraum]

I think 3 or 4 accounts with proper planning will more then cover themselfs in about 6-10 months of training/playing a 60day GTC (game time card for those not in the know) goes for bout 620-650mill isk which can be made fairly easy by each player (every 2 months) if you do a few serious mining events once or twice a week. In regard to long term plans I hope to see myself in a pretty successful mining/freighthauling/researching capacity and buisness..its not about hoarding isk for me, its about owning rae blueprints and building ships that other players can only drool over. Eve's playstyle can be tailored to whatever your heart desires and thats what makes it so appealing...you hit it on the head about alts in Wow, they truely do just sit there, and do nothing, unless they are your crafting alts..but again how often do you use them. Where as in Eve with careful planning and forethought each account can have a function and purpose that will match up with your long term plan.

The other beauty of Eve is there is no MAX level, no 14 year olds running around on level 80 dk's with all day to play greiving everyone simply because they are bored. Eve's to harsh for most kids, when you lose a 500 million isk decked out ship, you seriously just log off and go cry in a corner for a day or two...lick your wounds, remember what you did wrong and move on.

I think there might be enough like minded people wanting or already returned to eve to put a corporation together and start helping each other out in game, I know on my trial account already i've helped countless people out which shocks them cause your instantly assumed to be a noob like everyone else if your still in the rookie chatroom *hehe*.

Yea, I'm serious. I pruned my wow accounts down to 2 since I didn't expect to be playing much now that I'm enthralled by Eve again. While I'm not 100% sure what I want to do long term, I'm currently content to work toward accounts that cover themselves. Once I have that taken care of I can always leave some sleeper accounts to bake skills while I play active accounts or even go back to Wow if I need a change of scenery.

I'm rounding out my main character right now, while only 3.2 mil SP, he has enough skills to give me flexibility in playstyle. Currently he is 6 hours from being able to start training Battleships and another 2 days from bumping up to a retriever for mining. Both my combat characters are at Caldari Cruisers 2 and once they finish up some missile training they will begin to work on learning skills before the push to Battleships for them. The cargo character is working on some learning skills before she puts the 4 days into Gallente Industrial 4 and then works toward freighters; between her Iteron 3 and my mains Iteron 4 I can move cargo when I need to and she sits idle between trips when I'm mining so there is no hurry.

I created two other trial accounts and set them up to work toward being able to fly Procurers in about 14 days. It's amazing how much you can accomplish skill wise when you know exactly what you want and you can leave a character alone to train. I've really become fond of the planning feature of EveMon. You tell it your end goal in terms of skill, item or ship and it plans out the skills you need and how long they will take. It even suggests learning skills if they will lower the total training time. I plan on creating a couple more trial accounts and setting them up for specific roles. If I find I don't need them, I'm only out the ISK I spent on the skills. If I end up converting the accounts, it's only just over 2 months to Exhumers with the new character skill bonus now.

I find the style of multiboxing that you have with Eve interesting in cntrast to Wow. With wow I had to be playing and paying attention every second or I felt like I was getting behind. I could only progress on as many characters as I could play at once. I had to be there for all the grinding. With Eve, I actually feel like I'm benefiting from having other accounts when I'm not even playing them. If I feel like doing combat or some missions, my mining characters are being wasted; they're just getting better at skills and closer to being able to fly bigger ships. There is still grinding the intial ISK for gear and such, but I don't feel like I'm getting behind if I'm not playing like I did with Wow. If you add in the fact that all the end game goals are goals you set for yourself, then it feels even more liberating. The only thing that can get to me with Eve is that time delay on skills. It drove me crazy when I was playing in the begining, but having multiple accounts makes that less of an issue since you can play other characters while you train those week and month long skills.

297 days until I can fly a Titan. Should be just enough time to earn the money to build one.

- Souca -