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    Default My Plan - Come critique it.

    Having spent the last month or so debating on a setup, researching, and planning stuff out I'm finally at the point where I have a rough draft that is ready for a second set of eyes.
    I am planning on PvE Software boxing using Hotkeynet.
    My healer will be click healing.

    Class Selection:
    Unholy DK: AOE tank with dps capes. Buffs groups damage

    Resto Shaman: Everybody needs a little shaman lovin. Strong totems, Mana Tide, Chain heal, Cleanse Spirit, Can reincarnate. (will also be my main for solo raiding)

    Demo Lock: Demo seemed to have a simple rotation. Curse of Elements for more damage, as well as extra damage from the pet crits. So a little synergy. Also comes with soulstones, and summons.

    Frost Mage: I know that spamming just frostbolt is tough, but I should be able to manage that complicated rotation. The pet I will keep to CD use only, as well as Mirror Image. Focus magic buffs the warlock for more pew pew. Comes with the arcane taxi, as well as mage cookies. AI is always a nice addition too.

    Boomkin: MotW, Moonkin aura, Battle Rez, Chicken Dance.

    Basically I was going for strong group synergy with lots of damage increasing buffs/debuffs. (Ebon Plaguebringer, WoA, Warlock Spellpower Pet buff, Moonkin Aura)

    Key Setup:
    ----------DK----------Sham----------Lock----------Mage----------Boom
    1---IT,PS,BS,SS,SS---LB,,,,,,,---Pet+DE,SB-----Frost Bolt-----WR,SF,SF
    S1--------UB,---------------------CoA,Corr-----Frost Bolt-------IS,MF
    C1----Bone Shield----ES Tank-------------------Spell Steal---Throns Tank


    2-----Obliterate------FS,LB---------SB----------FB,FrstBlt-------MF
    S2-------------------------------Soul Steal


    3----Chains of Ice---Earthbind----AoE Fear------Frost Nova
    S3----Mind Freeze-------ES------Race Silence------CS,Race-----Warstomp


    4-----SS,Pes,BB-----Nova Tot,,,,----SoC-------------AE----------SF,MF
    S4-----DnD,UB----------------------,RoF------------Blizz-----Trees,Hurri


    5-----EmpW,AotD----Elem Tot,BL----Metamorph------IV+Pet,MI-----SF,Trees

    Z-------IBF--------NS+Heal ToTT-----------------------------Brez,Innervate
    SZ--,Fear Trink---Trem Tot,Trink--,Fear Trink----,Fear Trink--,Fear Trink

    X---------------------Totems
    SX----------------Grounding Totem


    C----Blood Tap-------Cleanse----------------------Decurse------De-poison
    SC----------------Mana Tide(com)---Buffs(ooc)-----Buffs(ooc)-----Buffs(ooc)


    1 is my spammer. Shaman casts a random LB here and there. Just a little extra dps, but not enough to hurt his mana.
    Shift 1 is for after the initial DK sequence on long fights. (bosses)
    Ctrl 1 is for pre combat, and things needed to keep on the tank. Also trys to steal a spell.
    2 is my quick damage button. Not really to be spammed on elite fights, but for normal mobs it should hurt them.
    3 is my snare button. Shift 3 for interrupts.
    4 is my tab target AOE key. Shift 4 is my click cast AOE. (~ will be my send mouse click key)
    5 is my ohh snap here comes the pew pew.
    Z is my ohh shit (any other tfc players out there? "MEDIC!") When I have an alli targeted: if dead my druid rezes them, if alive he innervates them. In combat only of course.
    X is my totem button, spam it to drop all 4. SX for a grounding totem.
    C is my utility button. DK blood taps for more runes, and if something unwanted. It will disappear.
    SC to drop mana tide in combat, or buff ooc.

    Question Time:
    My biggest unknown is the moonkin. Does his synergy stack? MotW is nice and all, but I can't watch for eclipse procs, so his personal DPS won't be as high as it can be. I'm hoping his group synergy will make up for his lack of DPS.

    Is a DK's ghoul useful? I think I might be a bit on the low side for DPS due to the moonkin not being able to use eclipse procs properly. If I put one talent point into that would it help makeup for the lost dps? EJ and everyone I have talked to says its a waste of a point as a tank, but I havn't talked to any multiboxers.

    FTL - Am I correct in assuming I would take up 15 keys for the above stated setup? I am a debate about how to handle targeting. I would like for it to be easy to play my second team of 5x boomkins (using the boomkin from this group + 4) for PvP shenanigans. I imagine if I setup FTL on both, and then just do a page swap on the boomkin in this group it would take no effort to make the change. The other system I was thinking about was a party1 system, because when I use PiP (F1-F5) I could easily promote whatever character i switched to, to the leader. Any suggestions?

    What macros would you use to handle reapplications of dots? If I am using FTL I can't use something like reset=alt to start the macro over again. So how would I restart a sequence?

    Please post your comments, let me know of things that I haven't thought of, or am flat out wrong on.
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    Please use the Multiboxing Group Composition Discusssion forum, but hopefully the admins will move it

    Anyway earth and moon dont stack with curse of elements so my suggestion would be to drop the warlock and get a elemental shamanfor TOW.

    Double set of totems never hurts, even less in fights were grounding totems absorbs spells!
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    I posted in general because it has to do with macros(control setups) as well as group comp.

    Since CoE doesn't stack, I could put CoA on the target.
    Does the pet damage buff stack? (I'm at work or I would look up the name of the talent)
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    drop the boomkin for a shadow priest. healing and synergy from the coe.

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    Just wanted to mention that there are some mods that will let you see party procs (in reference to watching eclipse procs). I use mik's combat scrolling text and you can configure the popups in order to show when a proc has occured for a party member (for me i watch when i get a 5 stack of maelstrom weapon on my shaman and i watch when my warrior gets an instant slam proc available).

    Will let others comment on the groups.
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    Looks like a pretty solid composition, even more so when 3.1 hits and your Frost Mage will get Replenishment. You mention it's primarily for PvE so my question is: Why no Paladin tank? Or do you reckon Unholy Blight and DnD will be enough help with the AoE groups?

    On the CoE vs. Earth and Moon matter I'd say that Earth and Moon is superior in that way that it is applied through your main attacks and also gives you a passive 3% spell damage whereas CoE is detracting from the Warlocks damage in the sense that he can't use CoA.

    As for dropping the Druid for a Shadow Priest, I personnaly wouldn't do it. The only thing a Shadow Priest really brings is Fortitude and Vampiric Embrace (and Divine Spirit in 3.1). But the Warlock would then have too use CoE. So I suppose it comes down to survivability vs. damage.
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    Wow RedBeard, that would be awesome. Now I wonder if there is a way I could keep track of the internal cooldown it has..
    I guess I could modify that mod to start a timer whenever it notices eclipse proc through the combat log or whatever it uses to notice party procs. Then I could toss up a timer bar on my mains screen to watch when the ICD is about to finish.
    That would really help boost the moonkin dps. (its worth over 500dps to use eclipse properly according to EJ)

    Doing some more searching I stumbled upon this: http://raidcomp.mmo-champion.com/
    Its a lovely little tool that lets you play around with buffs.

    It really looks like Earth and Moon and CoE are both worthless as far as debuffs go due to Ebon Plaguebringer being so easily spread. I think I will keep the talent points in it though for the 3% self damage increase.
    CoE is definatly out though.

    As for why a DK over a paladin. I maintanked on a paladin soloboxing for quite some time, and started getting rather bored with it in the end. Its just too easy. A DK (from what I've read) does more damage, it also looks more fun. I will be leveling the group to 60 using a paladin, so if worse comes to worse, I'll just pop up him to 80. My wife also plays a paladin as her main, so if there is a heroic that I just can't figure out with a DK tank, I could let her tank it and just 4box.

    I think the shadow priest would be too complicated for not enough payoff. The farthest I ever went with spriest was SSC, and it was pretty intense to play the class to its max. A lot of cooldown watching.
    It does bring a nice health/spirit buff, but I would lose out on armor/stats from MotW. I wouldn't have to cast CoE due to Ebon Plaguebringer, so it wouldn't affect the lock. Replinishment will exist from the mage by the time I even create the characters.
    I did take a good long look at the spriest based upon your comment, so thanks for that. However I don't think it fits as well as the boomkin, and it would mess up my 5man boomkin team :) (using RAF grants to pop 4xboomkins to lvl 60)
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    EDIT: The first post in now fixed.

    So are they any gaping holes that I am missing that need to be filled in order to complete heroics?
    The one thing I am missing is a magic dispel. Is that needed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Clanked',index.php?page=Thread&postID=182042#post 182042
    Wow RedBeard, that would be awesome. Now I wonder if there is a way I could keep track of the internal cooldown it has..
    I guess I could modify that mod to start a timer whenever it notices eclipse proc through the combat log or whatever it uses to notice party procs. Then I could toss up a timer bar on my mains screen to watch when the ICD is about to finish.
    That would really help boost the moonkin dps. (its worth over 500dps to use eclipse properly according to EJ)

    Doing some more searching I stumbled upon this: http://raidcomp.mmo-champion.com/
    Its a lovely little tool that lets you play around with buffs.

    It really looks like Earth and Moon and CoE are both worthless as far as debuffs go due to Ebon Plaguebringer being so easily spread. I think I will keep the talent points in it though for the 3% self damage increase.
    CoE is definatly out though.

    As for why a DK over a paladin. I maintanked on a paladin soloboxing for quite some time, and started getting rather bored with it in the end. Its just too easy. A DK (from what I've read) does more damage, it also looks more fun. I will be leveling the group to 60 using a paladin, so if worse comes to worse, I'll just pop up him to 80. My wife also plays a paladin as her main, so if there is a heroic that I just can't figure out with a DK tank, I could let her tank it and just 4box.

    I think the shadow priest would be too complicated for not enough payoff. The farthest I ever went with spriest was SSC, and it was pretty intense to play the class to its max. A lot of cooldown watching.
    It does bring a nice health/spirit buff, but I would lose out on armor/stats from MotW. I wouldn't have to cast CoE due to Ebon Plaguebringer, so it wouldn't affect the lock. Replinishment will exist from the mage by the time I even create the characters.
    I did take a good long look at the spriest based upon your comment, so thanks for that. However I don't think it fits as well as the boomkin, and it would mess up my 5man boomkin team (using RAF grants to pop 4xboomkins to lvl 60)
    Yeah, I totally missed Ebon Plaguebringer. :whistling: The ludicrous rotation of the Shadow Priest totally overshadows the buff they brings (imho). Much the same way is Affliction Warlocks, although less so with 3.1.
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    Level 90 Protection Paladin - Elemental Shaman - Elemental Shaman - Elemental Shaman - Restoration Shaman
    Level 71-76 Guardian Druid - Frost Mage - Destruction Warlock - Beast Mastery Hunter - Discipline Priest

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    If you miss with IT or PS you're missing out on a lot of threat. You need a way to recast them when they miss.
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