Community Question

[WoWMulti]

Fur,

I can see why you locked that previous thread. I understand.

Can you answer a few questions though.

1) How do I go about getting software sanctioned for posting and/or use on these forums?

2) Is this even something I can do? Meaning, is this board exclusive to Key Clone, whereas, anything else cannot be posted.

3) Besides posting source code, what can I do to prove legitimacy?

Thanks for your help.

Matt

[WoWMulti]

Thanks for your help, I will do this...

[WoWMulti]

PM Ellay for further discussion.

Based on your initial description of your software - I will drop the hammer on it anytime I see it here until its approved by forum administrators.

Fur,

I won't post about it until I get it approved. Would you mind deleting the initial forum post?

Thanks for your help,

Matt

[elsegundo]

PM Ellay for further discussion.

Based on your initial description of your software - I will drop the hammer on it anytime I see it here until its approved by forum administrators.

Fur,

I won't post about it until I get it approved. Would you mind deleting the initial forum post?

Thanks for your help,

Matt

i have also replied to your post at worldofwar.net.
please bear in mind that this is for the safety of the community and not a personal attack against anyone who might be trying to develop new software.

[Owltoid]

There are many programs other than Keyclone discussed on this website (such as my favorite, Hotkeynet). Similar to MouseClone, your advertised feature (more than one action per key press vs predetermined mouse X,Y) is against the ToS/EULA. I'm not sure why you're surprised that an unknown user posting illegal (in Blizzard's eyes) software with the downloading of an executable wouldn't be heavily frowned upon.

[WoWMulti]

There are many programs other than Keyclone discussed on this website (such as my favorite, Hotkeynet). Similar to MouseClone, your advertised feature (more than one action per key press vs predetermined mouse X,Y) is against the ToS/EULA. I'm not sure why you're surprised that an unknown user posting illegal (in Blizzard's eyes) software with the downloading of an executable wouldn't be heavily frowned upon.

I understand all of the above posts.

I honestly did not know this was against the ToS. I just started adding in features that I thought would be helpful to me and my buddy... I kept adding more and eventually this program turned out.

Can dual-boxing.com endorse a program that has such features? Or would it have to be removed first?

Thanks!

Matt

[Vyndree]

I responded as an addendum to the locked thread, but I'll repeat here for posterity:

1) How do I go about getting software sanctioned for posting and/or use on these forums?

Software is not as much sanctioned by us as it is by Blizzard (in the case of programs that target WoW multiboxing). Your product was marketed as "safe" and "legal" to use with WoW, which is most certainly not the case.

It is generally a good idea to PM the owner of the website you wish to advertise on (whether or not your program is freeware) as a simple courtesy. If you had done that (to Ellay, site owner; or to another mod, who would've forwarded your message to Ellay), likely we would've caught the mistake before you went public with the program. So, as a general rule, message the website admin (for any site, not just ours) if you intend to advertise a new program on that website. It's respectful to the site owner and you can completely avoid any misunderstandings.

2) Is this even something I can do? Meaning, is this board exclusive to Key Clone, whereas, anything else cannot be posted.

If you look in the software forums, you'll find many products besides Keyclone. Your initial question, I've answered above. :)

3) Besides posting source code, what can I do to prove legitimacy?

A full and complete feature list. If the feature list contains no items which violate the WoW terms of use/eula, then you can make a good-faith claim that it is safe and legal for WoW. We do have programs which have the capability of breaking ToU features (indeed, Logitech G15s, Steelseries WoW mouse, Nostromo N52's can all break the rules if used incorrectly) -- the difference here is that they are very clear about the claims they make and which functions violate the rules (and, if applicable, how to turn these features off).

If you had come onto the forums without the claim of legality and safety for WoW, likely you would not have your program locked. However, listing which features should not be used for WoW would probably be a good idea (ala HKN's disclaimer), if you do choose this route. You know, a sort of "This plastic bag is not a toy" or "Do not eat" disclaimer.

Can dual-boxing.com endorse a program that has such features? Or would it have to be removed first?

We don't necessarily ENDORSE products as much as we allow discussion of products. If you're asking if it could be posted on this site, you'll have to ask Ellay for confirmation -- but, like I mentioned before, there are products that have the capability of delays/timers/macros (i.e. G15s, Nostromos, Steelseries WoW mouse, AHK, HKN...) but you must make it very clear which features are unacceptable and shouldn't be utilized. We don't allow false claims of legality on these forums, and we encourage developers to try and make their products as rule-abiding as possible -- or, if not, as clear as possible when it comes to features violating the rules.

We don't want to get anyone banned due to misinformation.

[Jubber]

I hope you don't feel put off by these actions against your software. No hostility is meant in anyway. We as a community are very defensive about claims of "legality" and "safety". This is a hobby we all spend a great deal of time and money on so things like that, that pop up are red flags, especially by new users.

Let's face it, Blizzard has never openly layed claim to any third party software as being totally legal and safe, so I don't believe anyone can say their particular software is safe. Blizzard has named certain software as acceptable so long as their conditional is met. Again with discretion on their part. Much like the moderators have already indicated it's polite to email the site owner when you wish to advertise new software.

If you don't do that at least post what your software does, what kind of features are available and be totally honest as to what it can do. Then ask an opinion of the community. There are many many experienced and knowledgeable folks on these forums as i have found. That was something you could have done before making your claims.

Other than that welcome to these forums. Always great to meet another fellow boxer.

[Vyndree]

Blizzard has never openly layed claim to any third party software as being totally legal and safe

Basically, im wondering if using Keyclone to send the same signal to multiple clients with one keypress is acceptable.
Im looking for a solid yes or no answer here :P

Yup, keyclone is fine.
Just make absolutely certain that you're not making more than one keypress (for the purposes of the word 'keypress' this includes a single key press AND release with no delays), or including delays between key-presses with each action.
Essentially, if you could legally create the command as a functional macro within the default user interface, then it should be okay.

http://dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.ph...tions#Keyclone

[Caspian]

There are many programs other than Keyclone discussed on this website (such as my favorite, Hotkeynet). Similar to MouseClone, your advertised feature (more than one action per key press vs predetermined mouse X,Y) is against the ToS/EULA. I'm not sure why you're surprised that an unknown user posting illegal (in Blizzard's eyes) software with the downloading of an executable wouldn't be heavily frowned upon.

I understand all of the above posts.

I honestly did not know this was against the ToS. I just started adding in features that I thought would be helpful to me and my buddy... I kept adding more and eventually this program turned out.

Can dual-boxing.com endorse a program that has such features? Or would it have to be removed first?

Thanks!

Matt

See the big part there? If you did not know that, which is the core, fundamental philosophy blizzard has in regards to multi-boxing in addition to addons and hardware devices how could you make any claim to legitimacy, safety or (blizzard) legality?

That said, I appreciate your efforts to gain community approval to at least take a look at what you created. My personal recommendation to you would be to first review http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/inde..._Conversations and figure out what it really means to be "safe and legal". Then create a "how to guide" with screen shots. Provide a full list of features, along with disclaimers about things that, if used, would be against the TOS/ELUA. Toss those up on here in the Software section and keep them permanently on your site.

That and anything that Vyn says. Do those and you will have a chance to make a better impression then the first impression you made.