Question about account sharing with a child

[gantell]

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[quote='gantell',index.php?page=Thread&postID=18176 4#post181764]This is referring to a moment in time not all time everlasting.[/quote]Then why is the document I linked called "Unauthorized Account Access Policy" and, additionally, why doesn't it simply say "You cannot log into the same account more than once at any given point in time?"

The "you cannot log in twice" argument applies to folks without kids, too. I've actually seen the question asked (particularly when people are curious if they can multibox with their single account) -- many people don't even realize that you're limited to one login at a time. So why limit that statement to just folks with minor children sharing their account? The login rules aren't limited to children and their parents. Given context, I believe my interpretation is correct (or, at the very least, the document is ambiguous).

Furthermore, they are out-of-date on their sources, since the EULA no longer contains subsections in Section 1, and the particular attributed ToU section that applies to that statement is Section 3 -- so it would make sense that this document is simply out-of-date and hasn't been updated to current policy.

Regardless of the cause, they should update their official support documents to reflect current, accurate, and unambiguous policy.

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[color=#57595a][color=#57595a][size=10][font='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif']It is called "Unauthorized Account Access Policy" because that is what it is discussing. With in the policy it is granting an exception for a minor child. It does not simply say "You cannot log into the same account more than once at any given point in time?" because that statement would not grant the child the right to use the account. [/font][/size][/color][/color]

The policy says "you may permit one (1) minor child to use the Account instead of you (in which case you may not use that Account at the same time)” This statement does two things. First the statement grants the child the right to use the account in place of you. Secondly limits the usage so both can not use it at the same time, this limit is clear from the phrase in parenthesis.


This section has to be careful in granting an exception for the minor child so as to not also grant an exception that allows both to use the account at same time. Had this point not been clearly spelled out where the exception was granted one could argue this point. It is not limiting the simultaneous log in rule to accounts with minor children; instead it is making it clear they are included.


I would agree there is some ambiguity but it is not over the use of "instead of you" that is clearly a reference to a temporary replacement that can change back and forth at will. The ambiguity is in the use of "permit one (1) minor child". The term "Permit" is a more permanent term and normally would include the right to revoke permission, but that is not clearly spelled out. Once you permit one child to use the account can you revoke that permit and grant it to a different child? Normally, with out clear definition the answer would be, yes you can as no restriction has been placed on that right to grant or revoke permission. So the ambiguity comes for a lack of clearly spelling out the right to revoke the permission to use the account.


As to the entire document being out of date clearly true, but not relevant as to weather this section is in conflict. Cleary a more verbose and detailed explanation with matching references would be nice.

Sorry to pick nits but I do like these sort of legalese discussions of the meaning of words and phrases. It makes one think.

I wish I could insert quotes and stuff as well as you do.

[Marious]

This is silly, as you can see the support page people do the same as a lot of others do they don't even read the EULA/ToA they just scroll down to the bottom and wait for the Accept button to turn so they can use it. That's where people like us have to be careful and I appreciate Vyn and some of the others that really pay attention to this and can point us to the right place, most of the time it is ambiguous or poorly worded and it takes some one with more knowledge with these types of documents to interpret what they mean to the rest of us that just get confused. Or at least they can expand on the meaning of these poorly worded sections since to me it says you cant log on two characters from the same account at the same time, which as this point is not possible and will probably never be possible, my 7 year old likes to ask me if she can play also so this is of interest to me as well, and I think I will have her play a healer on my next instance run see how she does, she can't do any worse than some of the people I have PUG'ed with since I PUG'ed with a fully epic druid tree and he could not keep me alive and a priest in blues and a few heroic epics had no issues keeping me alive.

[Vyndree]

It is called "Unauthorized Account Access Policy" because that is what it is discussing.

Multiple logins from teh same account simultaneously can never be unauthorized access -- there is no possible way to EVER access the account that way -- whether it was authorized or not.

See? I can nitpick too ;)