DK teams!

[pinotnoir]

Lol, yes, go the tank route. Having one DPS is a bad thing because that person is going to at some point take the aggro and get itself killed, also, for AOE bosses, if that person is DPS speced/geared, that person is going to take a lot of damage, and you are going to have to Burn CD's to keep that said toon alive rather than keeping the CD's for the whole group.

The hardest boss I have ever fought is the 3rd boss in Halls of Lightning. And it took everyone second of my attention to all my CD's while bouncing the aggro around as much as possible, while timing Tap, Shield, Vampiric, IBF and making sure that I don't get the OWE so random BS (boss turns into several lighting bawls, then chases you around and the dot the boss puts on you does not go off and throw you right into them right after you just used Tap to get the health back up.

I really don't see Heroics being as much as a problem as I thought. I've cleared all the Dungeons a few levels lower than the "advised" level, and didn't have a problem. I know I died a lot, but that was just do to me learning the area, and knowing when the boss was going to do something and me learning how to counter it and not die at the same time. My gear was never right for the dungeon, my specs were a mess and I still managed to clear them. All my macros have changed and made things easier on me, so it just take a lot of trial and error to get what you want. While I will still advise to max out defense as quickly as possible, you don't have to if you don't want too. Just have enough HP to take the beating you are about to receive, lol.
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I am having some thoughts about bosses like that HOL guy. Boxing 4 melee means they are going to get aoe damage. I have a priest who will be the healer. Do you think if you had your team as 1 tank 3dps and 1 priest they would be easier to instance with? I have been thinking about specing them all tank at 80 if that will make instances easier.

[Zerocool2024]

There shouldn�t be any problem with having a normal group match up. I do have healers on the side for such a thing if I ever wanted to go that route. But I have not run into a brick wall yet with not being able to do any dungeon with a DK match up.

Having a healer would of course make it all the easier. And with having the other tree being blood spec for the Aura, then that would help the said tank get that little extra healing he or she needs. I would much rather use a Shaman for my healer because of the Totems/Chain Heal. But a Priest would do just fine. I just like the Totems from Shamans. They help a lot.

Give me an idea of spec ideas you are going to run with that match up and I can give some help if you want it, or others might be able to give you better help.

[Zerocool2024]

The guide is really meant for 5DK groups, but I have considered a heavy melee with healer group, which is harder than a normal caster group because you can spread them out, and his AOE crap is going to do nothing against you.

I can give a side guide explaining other group match ups and so forth.

[Multibocks]

Zero did you stop playing or what? I havent heard from you or Fury in a while, regarding heroics.

[Zerocool2024]

Lol, we are still here

Just doing a bit of "farming/strats" for Heroics. It takes a little getting used to.

So far, all the bosses that I have done (Nexus, UK, HOL, I have gotten down to about 30% or so before all my toons died).
I'm still sitting below the Defense cap to not be crited on in Heroics area, I need about 15 more. I still say it's doable but, we are going to need better gear (so more farming). With a healer, yes, it's doable, but it's not going to be easy as a 5man DK group.

[Zerocool2024]

Also, yes, the Aura does stack, it just doesn't show it.
Yes, Dungeons can still be done, only now, my attacks are weaker because I lost HB, but I will figure out a decent counterpart to it. Already ran into LOH and was able to do it, just was a little bit harder because of the loss of HB and some other talents I had going at the time.

Might be better if I had Glyphs for Death/Obliterate.
Going to mess around with other talents specs and see what I can turn up.

[Zerocool2024]

Also... Bloodworms.. Yeah, ALOT better. Getting 130 or so a tick from each, so.. yeah, a lot better than the 30's or so I am getting on Reg server.

[Souca]

Also, yes, the Aura does stack, it just doesn't show it.

Wait? Are you saying the PTR didn't get rid of Blood Aura? I thought they rolled it into Improved Blood Presence which either gives you 10% healing in blood or 4% in other presences?

- Souca -

[Zerocool2024]

Well, you still spec it of course, but it still stacks... Only, it does not show. You Stay in Frost, and the "Aura" Now Improved Blood Presence still stacks across the group, not sure on raid because I have not been in one yet, but as far as group goes, yes, it still stacks.

I ran LOH again with a new build and cleared it with no deaths. (Still testing builds)

4 toons (45/23/3)
1 toon (41/8/22)

Hardest part is not having all the Glyphs that you would normally have to get the best results. Though you can just sort of assume and get pretty close.

Using Heart strike, Death Strike, and Obliterate in the mix up. But missing Death Strike Glyph and Obliterate Glyph. Also, I have the Vamp Glyph which I don't really want to lose because that extra 10Seconds really helps on certain bosses.

Using one toon with a pet to see how things are stacking up with the new changes. So far, the DPS between the two builds is almost nothing. Doing a test dummy run (alot) of times to make sure things are as they seem.
I has the Pet Glyph so I would be maxing it.
So far, the best I can get is somewhere in the 160000's in 2 minutes with using multiple mobs (being only 2 because of Heart Strike).
Now, on the Normal server, my toons can get 220000's+ in 2 minutes (but of course, they are hitting 3 mobs) But the frost build on the normal server is still better than my current setup.
Even if I spam Unholy blight every 20 seconds, it does not make any difference in his dps overall. With the attack that my toon would be using (Heart Strike) I would be hitting 2 mobs for roughly 1K to 2K damage or more*2. Which in the end, is still more damage than Unholy blights 60's*20*X amount of mobs in the area.

Now of course, that is all Theorycrafting it. But take 60*20* let's say 3 mobs (the average I'm seeing) I get 3.6K damage in 20 seconds. Now in 20 seconds, I could have gotten off in my rotation 2 Heart Strikes which Average for 1K per mob, but can still crit for 2+K easily. That would be 4K 20 seconds, without crits.
While I'm still going to do some more testing on Multiple mobs, Unholy Blight is only used on trash and not bosses. So I just need to run around more and do some more Dungeon work and see how it goes.
I'm not dissing Blight, I think It's a great spell, but its more Situational than I'm used to.

[Akeldema]

What Ptr are you on mate?