Thank you all very much for your responses. Its all very good advice about quest helper and reducing settings on the slaves, advice I will be sure to follow. I actually found out what had changed that made my performance drop. I run all three clients from one folder so my settings are all the same. Usually I set my video settings to the lowest it can go on the slaves and a custom setting on the main with everything set to the lowest value and most fancy stuff off, except I set the view distance to its max. for some reason, the setting that I used on the main got used for all 3 clients the next time I stared them and I didnt notice that my slaves could see for that distance. Once I set the video settings back down, my performace went back to where it was. Thanks again for the advice on questhelper, I will try that and maybe see a little better performance now.