All heroics cleared 5 boxing

[Alemi]

I'd like to know this myself. I don't really need anything from there, much less Old Kingdom and Oculous so I haven't given them much of a try but if you've got a way to make HoS "cake", I'm all ears. Honestly, I think I could complete HoS and OK with some changes but don't really see the point since I don't need gear from either one. Oculus on the other hand is way above my head especially, again, since I don't need anything from there. :P

Edit: While were at it, any secrets to the Safety Dance? I've had the luxury of taking several of my toons in there and lose the /followers every time. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Ok, first of all - sorry for the triple post. I should have put all my replies in one, but I'm posting from the airport and keep loosing the dang WiFi.

Bronzebeard - I guess I need to say, this only works for heavy AOE multiboxing teams. I tried MULTIPLE strategies, spreading them out on the east and west walls, lining up in the middle so I could move them forward on dark matters/searing gazes. None of this worked for me, it ACTUALLY made it more difficult - for me at least.

What I do now, is at the bottom of the stairs do my normal totem drops (4x Healing Streams instead of my standard 4x Mana Springs, and Fire Resistance Totem for the Searing Gazes), and start the event. During Phase 1 it's just 3 melee dwarves. Make sure your tank is in front and they'll always charge the tank. I keep a Death and Decay down (Concecrate works well, Druid tanks can swipe or mangle or Demo Roar, Warriors can Thunderclap etc.) and just tank them. I stopped using chain lightnings during phase 1 to help with mana and just keep 4x magma totems down and let them slowly but surely eat through each wave, and do the occasional Tstorm. During Phase 2, the stormcallers are your biggest threat, the melee dwarves are just an annoyance. Keep your aoe aggro ability down and make sure you refresh magmas constantly and I keep groundings down to help with the damage. I only use single target damage (LB and LvB) on the stormcallers to maintain mana. Heal when needed obviously.

This part is key - keep an eye on the right head in the room, when you ee the shadow beams come out, move down the stairs towards the middle of the room with everyone on follow. Drag any mobs you have with you. Wait for the Dark Matter ball to spawn and start flying at you and then move back up to the middel of the stairs and continue the aoe/etc. DO NOT LET DARK MATTER HIT YOU DURING PHASE 2. You take 100% damage and the movement debuff is awful. Phase 2 continues, keep killing the casters and let the magmas take care of the melees.

Phase 3 - Is chaos. You have to constantly keep moving. At this point, I don't even worry about killing shit. I drop my Death and Decay, groundings, and magmas. When the waves really start I'll alternate between stoneclaws and earthbinds (stoneclaws are awesome here) - If you have any stun abilities they're very useful for this phase - i.e. Fire Nova Stun, Dragon's Breaths, etc. Golem Custodians have an AOE stun that is particularly bad if a searing gaze (fire lazers) hit. My basic goal is to just survive this phase. I'll bloodlust/em and burn down the first custudian, beyond that it's just a race to stay alive. Keepp moving in a little circle from the stairs to the front of each of the right and left heads just kiting the mobs. It's important not to get too close to Bronzebeard or he'll eat damage from the dark matters/searing gazes and that'll mess up the achievement and likely kill him. If you get caught in a dark matter the damage debuff pretty much makes it so a searing gaze will kill you before you can move. I only heal when a searing gaze is pounding a section of the floor (so I know it won't come down on the shamans while i'm chain healing everyone). As I'm doing my little kite, I try to keep the custodians rooted so they can't stun me.

So basically, I look like an idiot with my head cut off during phase 3. Kill the first custodian and then start running. Stoneclaw/Earthbind/Fire Nova/Magmas is my usually drop while I'm running to keep them running after me. Do this long enough, and the defenses in the room will eventually kill everything for you. If you have them available as well, fire elementals/army of the dead are pretty useful during phase 3 just to distract the mobs and get some aggro on them to keep bronzy alive. I made the mistake of trying to channel my army of the dead at the beginning of phase 3 and immediately have a fire lazer come down on my head. I'd use these right when the "cutscene" starts to get them out of the way and cleanup from phase 2 to make sure phase 3 is empty when you start.

Saftey Dance. This is going to be a little hard to explain. Imagine you're looking at Heigans room from the side of the room of the entrance, to the side of the room with the exit. And you're about to dance. There are 2 EASY markers on the floor to find, once you know them. Most of the cracks run parallel to the ends of the platform, however there is ONE distinct perpendicular crack that makes a T on the floor. The end of the perpendicular crack is the stop point for phase 2. (and your followers will be in a safe zone too if you stop RIGHT there). The stop point for phase 3 is a very distinct crack on the floor that's abnormally long. Stop right before it, and then you're good with the followers. The key is actually in phase 4 and 1.

Because you have people on follow you have to "double back on them" to make the switches seamless. Think of it this way, you cross into phase 4, then the followers cross into phase 4 but are still facing the wall. You have to run back through them to get them to turn and face the way they need to run. This is the easiest way I'd loose someone before I realized how I was screwing up. The followers loose about 1 second turning and then following - by then they're lagging to far behind and generally die in the phase 2 switch becuase of the lag issue.

I probably just made this as confusing as possible. LOL. I'm doing Heigan tonight with my 10 man, I'll try to vid it. The lag from gamecam was causing me to loose my shaman when I ran it with the other boxer but I may have a decent vid of an attempt with him - i.e. my 4 shaman would die, but his 4 shaman would live - the only explaination we came up with was gamecam was lagging my followers since they were all on follow on me. At the minimum I'll get screenshots of the floor where there are good markers after the room is clear. Would that work?

[Alemi]

I checked your toons on armory and saw tank/4 ranged dps. Do you generally run heroics with one as a healer?

It depends. I prefer running dk/3 elemental/1 resto - I respeced my shaman for Naxx this week since we're short on DPS for 25 man, and I'm not going to keep respecing 3 times a week. The cost doesn't bother me, it's having to reset up all my macros and hotbars that drives me EFFING nuts. Having 4 elemental makes the burst seem bigger, but having 1 full time resto means that I can just focus on dpsing without having to really watch my health bar.

Plus Earth Shield + Bone Shield is extremely smexy.

I forgot to say this to any boxer out there, 5 emerald drakes no longer works. Save yourself some time and frustration. Blizzard decided that kiting for 10 minutes effectively was "too easy" and gave all the little whelps a nasty ability - after being up for about 1 minute they gain unlimited range. So they're no longer kitable.

Took me about 2 attempts to realize where these massive amount of arcane bolts were coming from and I see a pack of whelps about 100 yrds from me just all casting at me.

[Bigfish]

Number 1 - as was said by other posters, I made no supposition that EVERY combination of classes could box heroics. Never. That's something you inferred. What I said was that they are boxable. I used to run 5 shaman, there's no way I'd have this success with that setup. I thought this would be obvious.

Number 2 - If you're boxing melee that's your own call, but it can be more difficult (on most encounters - before someone takes that out of context) than boxing tank/3 ranged dps/1 healer. However, there are equally as many encounters that are extremely ranged UNfriendly, or more difficult.

1. Like I said, that wasn't my intent. My inquisitive nature makes me start speculating "If it can be done with a tank and 4 shamans, can it be done with a tank, 3 hunters, and a priest?" and eventually reaching the point of contemplating at what point it does become impossible.

2. I'm aware, very accutely actually, of that fact. It leads me back to my original inquisition as to where the line is where things become ridiculously difficult. Particularly, a lot of encounters can be beaten with a simple dropping of Fire Elementals and Bloodlust to drop crazy DPS and finish a fight before it really begins. I'm sure Death Knights can do the same thing with Army of the Dead. As far as equally goes, I'd argue there are maybe 30% of fights that are easier with Melee than ranged. Ranged classes in particular DPS just as well 1 yard from a boss as 20 yards (hunters excluded).

The fights were Melee win out are pretty cool, mind you, but relatively few and far between.

[Zollist]

Once again, great job man. And your achievement spam was worth a good laugh! ^_^

[Aradar]

I probably just made this as confusing as possible. LOL. I'm doing Heigan tonight with my 10 man, I'll try to vid it. The lag from gamecam was causing me to loose my shaman when I ran it with the other boxer but I may have a decent vid of an attempt with him - i.e. my 4 shaman would die, but his 4 shaman would live - the only explaination we came up with was gamecam was lagging my followers since they were all on follow on me. At the minimum I'll get screenshots of the floor where there are good markers after the room is clear. Would that work?

I actually followed what you were saying perfectly and appreciate the detailed response. I'll have to give HoS another shot if I get bored, as for Heigan, I know exactly where the "T" is but I'll have to look for the other marker. I think my biggest issue is not moving quick enough and not getting my leader to the very end of the safety zone so that the followers are in it on the back end.

I myself run the same setup as you but with a pally tank and am definately looking forward to the dual spec so I can switch my tank and healer out for Naxx runs where we are short people. I've had all 5 in as specced and the healer gets kind of pointless. I've also main tanked with my dps in tow which is kind of a pain. Though I enjoy taking all my toons for the gear opportunity, I don't particulary like raiding multiple roles.

[Andreauk]

Forgive me for sounding silly.. but why are all your chars naked?

All heroics cleared with my dk/4 shamans. So, if anyone says something isn't boxable - they're wrong. Now to finish off these 11 achievements for Glory of the Hero.

[Kaynin]

Forgive me for sounding silly.. but why are all your chars naked?

All heroics cleared with my dk/4 shamans. So, if anyone says something isn't boxable - they're wrong. Now to finish off these 11 achievements for Glory of the Hero.

Tryin' to impress you.. us.. people..

[Alemi]

Forgive me for sounding silly.. but why are all your chars naked?

All heroics cleared with my dk/4 shamans. So, if anyone says something isn't boxable - they're wrong. Now to finish off these 11 achievements for Glory of the Hero.

Tryin' to impress you.. us.. people..

That's it.

I was playing late last night trying to do the 5 amber drake strategy in Occulus. You get nekkid to avoid the repair costs - I ended up logging after I got ley guardian to 8% and then the next 5 times I couldn't get him past 50%. It was late, I was tired and didn't feel like putting my gear back on.

[Taliesin]

I myself run the same setup as you but with a pally tank and am definately looking forward to the dual spec so I can switch my tank and healer out for Naxx runs where we are short people. I've had all 5 in as specced and the healer gets kind of pointless. I've also main tanked with my dps in tow which is kind of a pain. Though I enjoy taking all my toons for the gear opportunity, I don't particulary like raiding multiple roles.

Aw, don't say that. We're going to have to team up some time to try a 10-man Naxx with just the two of us. That is, when I'm much better geared.

[badashh]

Forgive me for sounding silly.. but why are all your chars naked?

All heroics cleared with my dk/4 shamans. So, if anyone says something isn't boxable - they're wrong. Now to finish off these 11 achievements for Glory of the Hero.

Tryin' to impress you.. us.. people..

They could be naked because he didn't want to take durability damage on the last boss in Oculus. Because gear doesn't matter for that guy anyway. It's a good way to save repair bills.