Will Ulduar Be The End of Multibox Friendly Raiding?

[Bigfish]

Is it just me, or does this sound exactly liek the kind of guild-breaking roadblock that BWL's Razorgore presented? (then Vael directly after)

Now that you mention it, yes, yes it does.

[Bigfish]

Arguably, multibox raiding is easier the fewer roles you have. Walking through something with 4 shamans doesn't impress me that much. All you've really done is ensure 4 competent DPS with offhealing capabilities and some pretty impressive utility options. I'd be more impressed with someone concurrently tanking, offtanking, healing, spot healing, DPSing, and moving out of the fire.

[Kaynin]

But I disagree with saying it is multiboxing unfriendly. Having done all ten man content uncluding Sartharion with 2 drakes up. Working on 3 drakes, >In a casual guild!< At all times with at least 3 of my characters present. I'd say raiding is very multibox friendly.

It just means that the other raid members are outgearing the encounter. Bring 5-box group to Naxx10 with everyone in raid wearing blues (as it is supposed to be), and we'll see how far you will go.
Also Sarth is not the best example, because it is retardedly easy encounter for DPS classes and everything there can be done on /follow.

Me and my guild cleared naxx 3 weeks after wotlk launched, I was in quest items and some crafted stuff. The rest of the guild was too. I encountered no problems in naxx. Sure, 1600 top dps wasn't making it very easy, but it was still doable.

And I'd like to see you multibox sartharion with 2 drakes up. :P I dunno what you think is easy, but it is currently the second hardest encounter in the entire game. (Sartharion 3 drakes being the hardest.)


And lastly, what can't be done on /follow?
I've not met an encounter that wasn't doable with /follow or easy movement controls. Vehicle encounters included.


As for multiclass boxing. I've done it in tbc and didn't think it was much harder at all, it all depends on how serious you are taking your part in the raid. It just requires a slightly steeper learning curve, a little bit more work in movement and macro's, but otherwise just as easy as doing 4x dps at 100% of their potential. In fact, I personally find DPS the toughest spot to fill in a raid (If you want to give it 100%.).

Tanking, healing, they require focus yes, but they don't require perfection. DPS, argueably doesn't require perfection either. I'm sure you can clear naxx by just spamming lightning bolts and watch a TV show. But if you aim to get 100% out of everything you do. (Which I enjoy doing as that is hat makes it all the more fun.) DPS is the most intensive raidspot to fill in that regard. Every mili-second can be used to your advantage..

10-boxing aside, which I can imagine is a LOT harder in raiding. I'd love to do but I don't have the computer gear or will to level more toons to try that out myself. :<

[Bigfish]

Working on it.

Me too. Hoping to drop Archavon tonight. Have to work up a tank switch macro and bind some movement keys on my ranged characters.

Edit: Oh, and beef up my healing macros.

[Kaynin]

Anyhow, all I'm saying is nothing will ever mean the end of multiboxing.

I'm certain I can quite possibly make any box work in any encounter (I'd love to prove it but I only play like 3 evenings a week. I work the rest running 3 companies.). Some encounters just need more dedication, and therefor a bit more time, then others.
But 10-boxing on 4 different vehicles for example will definatly be possible. I'm sure of it. I'm not saying a 10-boxer will enter Ulduar and clear the place in a single day. Ofcourse not. But then again, if they would, what would be the fun in that? Sartharion is the only fun encounter for me in the game because it actually has a steep learning curve. And it keeps the game interesting. Naxx I was bored off after the third week already because there wasn't much of a challenge. A little bit on Grob, Thaddius, Heigan the first time. Saph was fun back when I was doing 1200-1400dps-ish in that fight. Running my ass off away from blizzards, our first kill took 15 minutes. But we still killed it on the 5th or so try. So, challenging? Nah, didn't find it that challenging.



The end of multiboxing -will never- come.

[Gares]

I did a 10 man Archavon this week with my team and it was cake. All you really got to do is watch your team when he jumps to them. Make sure you stand with your backs to a wall so you don't fly too far away or have your chars turned alot. If your MT'ing just make sure if that happens you round them up again or turn them at least and bring boss back in range. Pretty easy but you just gotta watch.

[weeep]

And lastly, what can't be done on /follow?
I've not met an encounter that wasn't doable with /follow or easy movement controls.

Are you sure you've ever done Thaddius or Grobbulus?

[Kaynin]

And lastly, what can't be done on /follow?
I've not met an encounter that wasn't doable with /follow or easy movement controls.

Are you sure you've ever done Thaddius or Grobbulus?

Thaddius(25) is very easy with individual strafe keys for each char.
Thaddius(10) is the easiest fight in all of naxx, because enrage timer won't be a problem even if you spread out 10 yards and just stand and dps. (We did it this way back when we did 1600-2000dps already).

Grobbulus I use follow, Breaking off the ones with injection with mouse movement and instance swapping. Might be that my ftl set up makes it a lot easier for me, but if your macro set up is the problem, I suggest changing that. I killed Grob with 4 chars present on our 4th or so try the first day I was in naxx.

Any other fights? :P

[weeep]

BTW, I have to agree that WotLK raids are so retard-friendly that even multiboxers can participate in them. It is also the reason why I'm not seriously raiding now. I've done full BT\Hyjal before all those easymode patches in TBC and these encounters were challenging. You had to pay attention, you had to react and when you finally downed a boss, it was the *real* achievement, not this stupid window that pops now. And now all you do is spam
/follow leader
/cast Pew-Pew
/loot epics

[Kaynin]

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BTW, I have to agree that WotLK raids are so retard-friendly that even multiboxers can participate in them. It is also the reason why I'm not seriously raiding now. I've done full BT\Hyjal before all those easymode patches in TBC and these encounters were challenging. You had to pay attention, you had to react and when you finally downed a boss, it was the *real* achievement, not this stupid window that pops now. And now all you do is spam
/follow leader
/cast Pew-Pew
/loot epics

Try sartharion with 3 drakes up on 10 man then. I find it very challenging! As I said, I only got to sartharion with 2 drakes so far, and heck, it might still be weeks before I down sartharion with 3 drakes up. But I'm sure as hell gonna try it. :P (Sometimes just wish I had more time for it, but on the other hand being in a very casually laid back guild counts for a lot as well. )