wtf taxes

**-silencer-** · 02-10-2009, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by 'Bigfish',index.php?page=Thread&postID=175921#post 175921

What's really getting me is all these cabinet appointees who haven't paid their taxes. I mean, what the hell? This is supposed to be the party that understands the necesity of taxes and utilizing them for the public good. Makes it real to take them seriously when they keep running in to "ope, so and so didn't pay their taxes either!"

LOL please don't tell me that you believe that bullshit. Both major parties are remarkably similar, but they don't want you to know that.. so they bicker about the relatively little differences they have - usually regarding social issues.

**-silencer-** · 02-10-2009, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by 'keyclone',index.php?page=Thread&postID=175962#pos t175962

btw... i'm a constitutional libertarian (there's like 5 of us)

Make it 6.

**aboron** · 02-10-2009, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by 'd0z3rr',index.php?page=Thread&postID=175510#post1 75510

Yeah not really that mad about owing, after all I still do have a job and have not been layed off.

I was mostly pissed because I have no idea what the hell the penalty I owe is. Instead, I have to fill out some convuluted form 760c or some shit, with like 80 different boxes and 50 different calculations on how to figure out what my penatly is for owing over $150 in state taxes!

Couldn't be more confusing......

Waaay back when "I was young and needed the money" i worked a summer job at the IRS and even though your problem is with the state, they may be similar in that: If you call them up in person (maybe later, after paying your penalty as a sign of good faith) you can usually find someone to talk to who has discretionary power to abate minor penalties for first offenders or people with exceptional circumstances. Usually if it's the first time you can just claim that you were unaware of the rule that cause you the penalty "but now you are, and it won't happen again". I know when i worked there I would practically lead people into what they needed to tell me so I could do that for them, as long as I made sure they saw why it happened so they could avoid it next time (usually involved things like total $ amount due exceeding a threshold and having to make a quarterly payment or some such). It certainly sounds to me like you qualify for an abatement, plus you can ask them to explain the rules at the same time so you know what happened for future. I'm sure they won't consider you a big fish they have to worry about for the penalty on $150 in tax.

The best thing about that job is all the inside details it gave me have served me well in my tax dealings since, one should always try to walk a mile in the enemy's shoes, or at least infiltrate a command center once in a while, just for the info.

Quoted from "keyclone"

btw... i'm a constitutional libertarian (there's like 5 of us)

I'm just the regular kind of libertarian, seeing no need to hold on to the constitution if it doesn't serve us towards the ends of eliminating as much government as humanly possible. Though I see no need to rush out and change it, since there are still trillions of things that can be cut out of government today within the framework. And I don't realistically see us ever paring things down to a point where it would be an issue, it's more likely that the whole thing will collapse under it's own weight first.

**Bigfish** · 02-10-2009, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by '-silencer-',index.php?page=Thread&postID=176963#post176963

LOL please don't tell me that you believe that bullshit. Both major parties are remarkably similar, but they don't want you to know that.. so they bicker about the relatively little differences they have - usually regarding social issues.

Don't be silly. Its more an annoyance at the public facade of either party and the hypocrisy of their statements and actions, namely the irony of the party that wants to raise taxes appointing a bunch of people who don't pay their taxes.

**keyclone** · 02-14-2009, 02:25 PM

(does the following require tinfoil? i dunno... i've been watching the landscape and the players trying to understand it so i can avoid the splatter... sometimes it helps to take the tinfoil off for a bit. oh... and i apologize now for the small wall o' text rant)

the current administration has until about june to crater the economy and still be able to blame the republicans. the current economic situation was manufactured to gain political power for the left. don't think so? look into which party was in-bed (literally) with fannie mae and freddy mac. check to see whose boyfriend was running fannie... and which government oversight committee he ran that was supposed to insure this situation never happened. check out who was saying the mortgage industry was fine... even up to july '08 (you can also find 2 promote politicans trying to fight against that bs in 2002, 2004, and 2005). you should also check to see who was an attorney for the group forcing banks to make bad loans... and his group is about to get something like $1 billion from the 'stimulus' package (a nice little thank you for stuffing 11 states worth of ballot boxes... the fbi has been investigating since november.. don't hold your breath)

it's all amazingly one sided, from a political party standpoint. why doesn't the press start 'investigating' this whole thing? people have been financially hosed... why won't they report on the cause? simple. the press has been biased in one direction since the 60s at least... and they are complicate in putting on this facade.

i anticipate the dems cratering the economy into a 1929-ish scenario. the 'stimulus' bill doesn't even have anything that will help make the economy grow until 3 years from now (helpful)... just in time for the next presidential elections. meanwhile, people will be even more screwed... and will end up either needing social programs or getting closer to needing them. at that point, just like in 1929, the dems will be assured power for 20-40 years... since people will need the social program, they will keep voting in the party of the social program.

could i be wrong? maybe. but then again, i was predicting where we are today about 2-3 years ago (i just didn't think the banks would hold tight for so long)

what can be done on a personal level? that's why i've been studying the playing field... trying to see where/when it's going to go south so i can take advantage/minimize impact. normally, you can depend on the market doing what's best for the market. but when you push $9.7 trillion around to buy up companies and pushing government into corporations, things get wonky. my best guess so far has been gold. it'll keep its buying power... and if the 2nd shoe drops(inflation... we are hitting a bit of deflation while overstocked inventory slows down to meet the reduced demand.. once that's over, in about 8-18 months... inflation would hit), it'll gain strength.

if anyone has any good ideas how to avoid the splatter, besides gold, i'm all ears

**Golle** · 02-15-2009, 09:37 PM

Hm, the whole world-economy is going nuts and you complain about high taxes? Reading this post (from a non-american point of view) has given me quite a laugh.

Somewhere on the first page, someone were critizising the dismantling of the US army by reminding us of the 9-11. Well, if your president would have had some self-control you wouldn't have had a couple of planes crashing into your oh so beautiful towers. In Sweden we have this saying - om du ger dig in i leken f�r du leken t�la - which approximately means: if you started playing the game, make sure you will be able to handle the consequences. You put the highest % of your budget into the army in the whole world! And now with all your enemies you apparently cannot afford to dismantle it, because of the terrorist threat.
I wonder how the feeling of insecurity must be for you just and noble US-citizens. Maybe it might be somewhat similar to what the Iraqies felt when your dropped your bombs. Correct me if I am wrong, but a recent study has shown that the american's are more safe than ever before in history. A dismantle of the army wouldn't be such a bad choice, as you really could use the money. But no, remember the 9-11! It was an attack completelely unprovoced and without reason.
My memory may be failing me, but as I remember you were the one who attacked first.

Additionally, as the war against a country who wanted to, just like you, defend themselves simply wasn't enough, you were taking loanes with your houses as security. This did as we all know, end in one of the worst recessions since... I don't know when actually. But still some of you are debating with such patriotism I could almost expect the whole website to turn red, white and blue.

My point is, from what your beloved country has succeeded to come up with, all you are doing is complaining about your taxes. Shape up!

(Let the flaming begin)

**Bigfish** · 02-15-2009, 09:48 PM