Mouseover healing - using the tank as the main while sending signals to the healer

[Owltoid]

A big thanks to Freddie (Hotkeynet) and olipics!

I'm 99% sure olipics already has this implemented, and possibly others too, but I can now do mouseover healing remotely. In other words, while controlling my pally tank I can click on a nameplate and have the shaman cast whatever spell is associated with the click. For more information reference this thread:

http://www.hotkeynet.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=818

I'm very happy about this functionality! It now doesn't matter who is in my party and I don't care who is party1, party2, etc. I am going to incorporate cleansing and possibly earthshock mouseover for enemies (using party target unit frames).

[zanthor]

To clarify - you are using some UI mod to sort the group identically on all clients right?

[dariuslloyd]

Wow, that looks like exactly what I was talking to Freddie about a few months ago before my Warcraft break.

In my case I play two accounts on the same PC with exact same window positions and UI layouts. I use pitbull to sort the party frame alpha on both and the party frame includes the player. (All 5 names are in party frame including my current toon). The game window is in windowed mode and lays over one another with the tank class in front (warrior) and healer (priest) as slave. I was trying to get this to work using the mod "Clique" which allows you to bind spells to mousekeys+modifiers. Right click might be flash heal, shift+rclick would be greater heal, mouse4(thumb button) would be power word shield. Since both windows overlapped the mouse cursor was already in the proper position, it just needed to pass the click and back then, the HKN had a delay and it would be unreliable, I also had some issues with mousebinds. It would work with mouse position + a hotkey, but that reduces the intuitiveness of it being a simple point and click method.

However, it looks like you might have this figured out! I will have to check into it and reacquaint myself with HKN.

[olipcs]

To clarify - you are using some UI mod to sort the group identically on all clients right?

jep (in my case Pitbull), so it is not realy different from your IS & OpenRDX approach (other than it uses HKN and Pitbull ;) ).

[king.pa]

Faceplates are moving alot when fighting.... I dunno how you manage to get a mousover on the right toon...

And I see you're using Pitbull to 'sort' party members ?
with my shaman group my 3 other shamans are sorted like this :

party 2 : top right
party 3 : bottom right
party 4 : top left

with my DK team.. there are sorted like this

party 2 : bottom right
party 3 : top right
party 4 : top left

that's annoying... Does Pitbull allow to sort alphabeticaly the party members ?

[olipcs]

I'm using Pitbull for this, it let you alphabetical sort your party memebers and also includes the current toon in them. My partyframes are locked on the same Position in every window, so there is not much moving around...
(honestly I also tryed to use Healbot and Grid for this, but couldn't get them to sort the same on all Toons)

[Owltoid]

Along with olipics, I too am using Pitbull with the toons sorted alphabetically. The configuration is 'locked' so the unit frames cannot move around unless you go into the config mode. Also, every account has the same pitbull setup with the party bars in the exact same position.

When my tank uses button4 (the left side mouse button) HKN checks to see if my mouse position is in the range of the name plates. If I am in fact hovering over the name plates, then it sends the current mouse position along with the key 'd' to the healer. The healing slave receives the current mouse position along with the button press 'd'. On the healer 'd' is associated with a macro that says /cast [target=mouseover] Healing Wave. Since the name plates are in the same range on the healer, as they are on the master, the shaman heals whatever target I was hovering over. Currently I have a similar broadcast for shift-button4 which sends 'shift-d', which has chainheal.

If my tank uses button4 and I am not in the name plate range, then I can send whatever I want to whomever I want. It's very likely that I will have button4 healing the tank (standard /cast [target=Strong] Healing Wave), while if button4 is in the name plate range then it is healing whoever I'm mousing over.

Note that this was just a test case and I will be refining my key bindings and how to set everything up. As I mentioned before, this type of functionality can be used for more than just healing. Since I have my party order the same on master and slaves, and their target is directly to the right of their nameplate, I can also define that range. For instance, I may put some functionality where if I'm in the party-target range and I push 'shift right click' then it tells both the pally and the shaman to cleanse the mosue-over target (so that magic, disease, curse, and poison are all removed with one button push). Also, since I am looking at what my party-target spells are being cast, I can earth shock them while controlling my pally without ever changing my target.

The nice thing about mouseover is that I don't ever switch my target. My moonkins will gladly keep casting away at my tanks target while my shaman heals whatever name plate I click on. I think eventually this will allow for easier crowd control and micromanagement.

I feel some automation questionis/complaints coming on and I look forward to a good discussion I personally don't see a problem as I am pushing one button on the master and sending one button to the slave. The only difference is I am also broadcasting my current mouse position, which is no different than placing AoE spells or anything that uses mouse functionality.

[zanthor]

Yep, I'm doing the same with IS and OpenRDX - different cats, different skins, same effect. I actually ran "For the Horde" with my guild last week - I was 5 of the 6 healers on the raid. It was pretty awesome, killed all four alliance leaders without a single death. This would be ABSURDLY more broken with druids than it is with my shamans... I believe I could use 5 druids to keep 3 players unkillable with lifebloom while dropping 5x hots on anyone who gets wounded.

[dariuslloyd]

Since reading others reporting doing the same thing I wish to do, I downloaded HKN and started teaching myself again. I believe I have the most basic of basic functionality but I am still running into the same problems I did a few months ago.

I can manage to get the click to pass, however it is unreliable or erratic. I tested this with various background send commands as well as playing with both the click delays as well as the background focus delays.

I am using the same pitbull setup others have described; both toons have the same exact layout with the same sorted party frame. I am attempting to click the middle mouse button from my warrior over a unit frame and the priest should receive the middle mouse button click and cast a heal associated with it via the addon Clique.

The frustrating part is that I can get the click to pass fairly reliably in one spot however when I move to another unit in the party frame, it will not recognize the mouse click. For example, I will start by clicking on my warriors name and the heal will go off. I will click again.. works fine. I move to the priests unit frame and click.. nothing. Spam it a few times.. nothing. Randomly.. it works. Try again.. works. Move back to the warrior.. nothing.

I cannot seem to figure out the unreliability of this. I very much want to make this work but if a heal is not reliable, its not very worthwhile.

I appreciate any and all comments suggestions or help. The HKN scripting I am using is simple as follows:

<UseKeyAsModifier Oem3>

<Hotkey Oem3 MButton>
<SendWinMF WoW2>
<ClickMouse MButton>


Thank you.


edit- Yah I just cant figure it out. It gets "stuck" on only the one place and when I move to a new unit it won't operate. I forced HKN on top to see what the log was spitting out and it shows no errors and it seems to be picking up the change in coordinates. It's very odd. Like I said, once it works in the one position... anywhere on that particular unit within the party frame, it ONLY works on that unit. I can click like nuts on another unit and get nothing, but come back to that unit and it works fine. Then almost at random after spamming the other unit, THAT unit gets stuck and then only that one works and the original won't. I am so clueless after this lol.

[Owltoid]

I'm not exactly sure about your situation, and Freddie (Hotkeynet) or olipics may be able to help you better, but I'm guessing you're sending the actual mouse click to the slave window. I do the same thing for casting my treants and it doesn't have 100% success rate, due to delays or other issues. However, for mouseover healing instead of sending the mouse click I send the mouse position and a key press (for example shift-f). This seems to be very reliable... it may have something to do with the actual mouse clicking needing to take the program delays into consideration whereas the button press is quicker. Who knows