Why the hell can I only just break 2k DPS on a dummy, and only get 1800 DPS in Heroics still....

[Gares]

Ok I am running Pally, 3 X Elemental Shammy, Resto Shammy...

Elemental Shammy DPS Macro:
#showtooltip Lava Burst
/castsequence [target=targettarget,harm] reset=6/combat flame shock, lava burst, chain lightning, lightning bolt, lightning bolt, lightning bolt, lightning bolt, lava burst, chain lightning, lightning bolt, lightning bolt, lightning bolt

Now before all you /cast sequence haters tell me its slower I tried the following two macros as well with an actually DECREASE in DPS...

/cast random [target=targettarget,harm] Flame Shock, Lava Burst, Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, Lava Burst

This one I manually applied Flame Shock after it wore off to max effectiveness
/cast random [target=targettarget,harm] Lava Burst, Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, Lava Burst


On the Heroic Dummy with my team I get about 2000-2100 on my shammies with my /cast sequence no BL etc.
On the Heroic Dummy with my team I get about 1900-2000 on my shammies with the /cast random including flame shock
On the Heroic Dummy with my team I get about 2000-2100 on my shammies with the /cast random with manually applying Flame Shock.


Now I understand in Heroics my DPS is going to be lower cause I chain heal alot with my entire team on some battles or I use all 4 shammies to mass heal one char on some fights as its just easier, but when I straight DPS in say Vault or OS my DPS is still rather low...I don't know what else to do...

Lastly Armory of my Elemental Shammies

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...-Nerub&n=Gareb
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...-Nerub&n=Garec:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...-Nerub&n=Garee:

Now I do have a DK Tank up and coming (73 ATM) but I highly doubt that is going to jump me into 3k+ on some fights.

I know I should go the way of /cast random, but I honestly don't see the success of it from my end to justify using it as it seems to do equal or less DPS then my /cast sequence. Also don't question some things on my gear as I don't have them all fully enchanted etc yet, but some upgrade I could use help with.

[Hachoo]

Castsequence will lower your DPS. If you do the same castsequence but doing it manually I bet your DPS will be quite a bit higher.

[jettzypher]

dummies arent an accurate reflection of your numbers. they dont dodge, parry, block, crit, attack or anything. so you miss quite a bit of info by attacking them. the dummies are only good to test out new abilities, rotations, etc.

[Gares]

Castsequence will lower your DPS. If you do the same castsequence but doing it manually I bet your DPS will be quite a bit higher.

Your probably right in that I would probably get higher DPS with a manual sequence ( I know I do when I solo some raids), but never the less all the tests I have done on the Heroic dummies with no change of gear etc, and just switching the macro around has found that my /cast sequence macro kicks the shit out of the widely use /cast random macros and I don't know why.

[emesis]

There is no "heroic" training dummy as far as I know. Only the level 80 and the "grandmaster's" which is 3 levels above you - like a raid boss. Heroic bosses are only level 82. Your hit is only 109, which is fine for heroics but not hit capped for raids. You are probably missing quite a few casts.

Your gear and dps for this dummy look fine. What's the problem? The training dummies are there for you to compare the relative efficacy of rotations/gear for yourselves, not to look at your DPS against someone elses parsed data under raid or other conditions and make any kind of valid comparison.

There's a lot of e-peen waving of DPS numbers, but unless your comparing apples to apples I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to this. Raid buff/debuffs and multiple targets have a huge impact on these numbers.

[emesis]

dummies arent an accurate reflection of your numbers. they dont dodge, parry, block, crit, attack or anything. so you miss quite a bit of info by attacking them. the dummies are only good to test out new abilities, rotations, etc.

Umm, training dummies definitely can dodge, parry, etc, and your attacks can miss against them. Wouldn't be very useful otherwise.

Since they don't attack back, certainly abilities that require you to be attacked (e.g. Overpower) will not trigger. For casters this isn't really an issue.

Dummies are a very accurate reflection of your numbers against training dummies. :-)

[pinotnoir]

There is a heroic dummy in org.

[valkry]

Well, I'm both a cast sequence AND cast random hater. I manually do all my spells, only using flame shock to refresh. On one boss in naxx you dont even need flame shock lol. But yea, manual will always give the best dps result. All a cast random and castsequence macro is doing is saving you some hot bar room

[Kaynin]

I do 3200-3400 single target DPS on target dummies in pretty good gear. Whilest I can reach 4500's raidbuffed. (No castsequences).

Target dummies often do not reflect your 'accurate' dps (nothing does as it relies on many many different things), however they are a great means to find the DPS method/rotation that suits you best. If you want to get the most out of it, don't castrandom or sequence though and do it manually. If you run a multiclass set up however it might be hard to fit in proper. Maybe find a middle-road. (ie. splitting up Flame shock from your castrandom.)

[Lyonheart]

i keep seeing some of you talk about doing it manually. Ok, so how? when your tanking,healing and DPSing? I have tried to do that but there is just no way in hell its better than a castrandom when your having to tank and heal as well. Please explain? I mean I'm all about maximizing my dps, even when boxing. I understand that doing it manually while solo is way better dps, but how do you manage to keep track of everything else while boxing?