Unless something changes I'm done

[mrmcgee21]

So I got my arena team up to 1698, was feeling pretty good about stuff. And then this great new arena system kicks in, which I mean don't get me wrong it was already fucking stupid that me and my healers PR was over 50 pts behind our TR but we were just "dealing with that". But today we start fighting the top 5 arena teams in our BG consistantly all day, taking loss after loss and realizes how utterly broken pvp is atm. How are they SO great? AoE stun, AoE Silence, 4 -6 sec later everyone's dead or nearly dead. Occasionally the pvp system would "toss us a bone" and let us fight a 1700-1800 team so we think well maybe its just bad luck, keep playing. No .. no no, the gladiator's, BRUTAL gladiator's, and Flawless victor's continue to come, we continue to die in 4-6 sec. Now I know how to play, I know how to 5 box, I've always held my own in arena but this was total fucking blow out. You purge your little heart out until they finally open, you lust, you try to ice somone( never works because the only people doing arena's atm can go immune one way or another ) and then you "suffer the storm" and heal through their CD's then go back to trying to ice people. But this was, open, lust, flameshock "crap im silenced/stund" drop more groundings + nova's, ATTEMPT to get a lava burst off(usually interrupted by another silence of stun aoe) then attempt to heal your mostly dead team and watch everyone die b4 the 2nd aoe stun/silence wears off. What fun that was. Its broke, I mean good luck Aelli and everyone else trying but its a hopeless endevour when your entire team dies in the count of 3 gcd's and your stun'd through most of them, being stacked in one spot is simply a walking disaster. Before you think gear is going to save you, consider that I have over 800 resil on every one of my char's as well.

Besides our inevitable issues with being stacked the pvp system is utterly broke anyways, watching rogues 2 shot my paladin the 2nd his bubble falls is pretty depressing as well ( but at least we win those still because I can usually kill a person or 2 in 8 sec ). So between the broken burst dmg, and the absolutely jacked up rating/matchmaking system I am throwing in the towel on pvp for awhile, this is just not fun and entirely too frustrating after a good year of fun in s3 and s4 blizzard decided to flip the world upside down and fix stuff that wasnt broke. Single boxing has no appeal to me as you still have the same issue's and im not going to roll a fotm class just so I can "sortof" have fun because they arent having fun either, I got so many QQ tells from the #1 team after they fought us about how they couldnt get a good match all night, while I go up against the #2 team right after the #1 team ... can only take so much of a pummeling before you just say "fuck it".

[magwo]

While I agree that the burst damage and aoe CC is a bit over the top at the moment, I think your issue with being matched with top teams is a diminishing issue. I think it may take a while for the new system to "settle".

[ElectronDF]

I have NEVER arena'd in my life, but for theorycrafting sake. Your heals are 40 yards. Your attacks are 30 yards. Can you make a spread out macro to spread your guys out 12-15 yards away. It seems like AOEs are like 8-10 yards. It might clip 1-2 guys but that is all. It shouldn't take much time, should be able to do on a macro, you can probably not have to worry about facing issues if you use strafe moves. You might cover AOE fears, AOE stuns, AOE silences, etc. If you are just worried about one specific problem (bunched up), why not fix that problem? Or am I not thinking all this through?

Sorry, just trying to help.

[Tizer]

It sucks when you are on a downer. Do something different for a few weeks

[magwo]

I have NEVER arena'd in my life, but for theorycrafting sake. Your heals are 40 yards. Your attacks are 30 yards. Can you make a spread out macro to spread your guys out 12-15 yards away. It seems like AOEs are like 8-10 yards. It might clip 1-2 guys but that is all. It shouldn't take much time, should be able to do on a macro, you can probably not have to worry about facing issues if you use strafe moves. You might cover AOE fears, AOE stuns, AOE silences, etc. If you are just worried about one specific problem (bunched up), why not fix that problem? Or am I not thinking all this through?

Sorry, just trying to help.

It sounds good in theory, but the big problem with this is CC.. fears, scattershots, blinds, polymorphs, whatnot.. will have your spread out characters facing random directions. Now, I guess you could have some sort of keyboard macro for "face + stop", but that will interrupt any spell casts, so every time you want to reset character facing of your spread-out characters, they will get cast interrupted from moving.

[Multibocks]

the time it takes to re-orient your team is the worst in arena. After an AE fear I hit /follow immediately followed by a movement key to break follow so they all face my leader. Taking time to do that is lame enough and usually someone died during it. Sorry to hear about your troubles in arena, but I just dont feel this is something we can MB anymore, unless they change something.

[Fat Tire]

I also feel the pain of the OP.


I believe they will nerf burst, while you may still have to deal with aoe stuns. One bonus that may come out of this is what I have read that they dont like the focus on arenas and they would like to put more focus on BGs. With the possiblity of ranked BGs I am putting a little bit of faith that they will get this mess sorted out. I would love ranked BGs or a more focus on BGs rather than just using them as "busy" work to gain a few pvp items. I am hoping for after 3.1 so still a few months away.

[5fingersofdoom]

I don't know maybe its just me,but after playing WoTLK Expac hardcore these past months,seems to me during a Dev powow they decided that by giving AoE damage and CC to almost every class it would help quieten the QQ's about MB,i'm not saying this was the main reason for AoE and class rebalance,but overall it seems as if they want to put speedbumps in for MBers.

[mrmcgee21]

So my healer talks me back into playing arena's tonight, and somehow we go 12-1 and are now sitting at 1720. However we got much more favorable queue's ( no top 5 teams over and over again ) though the one loss we suffered was to one of them. I will say some of those top teams are able to drop my entire team in a matter of seconds but, i guess the lower rating teams havn't figured out(by low I mean 1700-1900). Also its strange but it seems the more we win the more inline our PR gets with our TR, currently sitting at 1693 PR which is much better, and my healer has 1676 PR. So back to wtf owning nubs in bg's because I have to farm honor for some deadly stuff! maybe I was a bit premature in my first post but I'm still very concerned about how easily some of the top couple teams we're handing my team an asskicking.... maybe their just not beatable? either way I'll settle for a mid 1800s rating any day.

[Elektric]

Dont let losing against the top teams in your BG group get you down.

It sounds like you where up against some pros. CC + Burst dmg = certain death. Its early in the season and part of the reason I made gladiator is a took EVERY opportunity to take losses from the best teams. Yeah the top teams wiped the floor with me for months, and I get up to 1900 and then lose 300 points in a night. But once I found their weakness they had to take the loss. When you break 5 people who are coordinating multiple silences and burst damage, they will never queue against you again. And if it happens by chance, theyll be sure to wait until you're done.

Not to mention that even if they beat you 9/10 times...its not worth risking a lost. In all reality multiboxers represent the greatest threat to Pro teams. If you know what your doing, and you say you do, despite screwed game mechanics you will force the best to be flawless. 12-1 record shows that the experience of playing with the best helped. As you work up the ladder, you'll notice your reactions will become more instinct driven.

Keep the hope, take the losses, and BOX ON!