Mousecloner is very likely against the rules

[Tehtsuo]

History has comprehensively proven that the fact that something is illegal, and even the fact that it's illegal and not likely to be profitable, is not 100% effective at keeping human beings from ever doing something illegal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

[Malekyth]

Yeah, cheap software marketed to a very, VERY niche market. Plus, this guy is a known person, former CEO of a site we all use and all, also involved with some other websites. He's not some dude who's likely to endure destruction of his online persona for the sake of a very small amount of money. We're not talking $30,000 money-printing machine scams, we're talking $12 multiboxing accessories.

[zanthor]

And it cost him and a bunch of his friends, their accounts.

For 3 days.

[asonimie]

Dude wants to hock his wares, generally ignore questions posed, disparage alternatives, and use an alternate forums account to act as the inside man in the crowd, he starts to get annoying and shady.

Blagojevich? Show yourself dam you!

[Starbuck_Jones]

To Owltold

I think its very relevant to the current topic at hand. Its the best example of the ambiguity that is the relationship between Blizzard and its Customers. That is why I think this is silly. Your not going to get anyone that represents Blizzard in a binding comment that application x y or z is supported for use with the game (I relay hate when people use illegal and legal when it comes to a video game). Half of what Blizzard classifies as automation used to be a built in function of the UI. Thus simply put, Blizzard changes its mind and does so often and that means what one blue post says today is completely invalid the next.

Next, its arguably safe to say that broadcasting a keystroke to multiple clients on single or multiple machines either via hardware or software or mechanical solutions is deemed ok. Why should mouse movement, clicking, or any other human user interface device be different? Where does it even say that I HAVE to use a mouse on my computer? Most operating systems have built into them the functionality to emulate one device with another. Some seem to be hanging on a pre-programed mouse positions. How is this technicaly different than binding a key to a pre-programed camera angle? I dont think anyone here would argue much about the usefulness of a keystroke bound to move a mouse to the location of where all the dialog boxes appear in game. Combining mouse position and a click in one button, to me is just the same. How would that be any differnt than the ingame macros that target, focus, trinket, buff, cast that we use today?

I guess my point is this, play how you want, use what tools you want that allows you to do what you want to accomplish. Look at the success and failures of others and play according to how much risk your willing to expose yourself too, but remember, in the end Blizzard can ban you because of your hair color if they feel like it.

[Kicksome]

BLIZZARD RESPONDED!!!

Why are you looking past it - that is a point that is integral to any discussion of automation.

Currently, using pre-recorded x,y coordinates (a function not supported by the default UI at all), to target or cast a spell is functionality outside of our Terms of Use.

I would strongly advise shying away from this program, if it is causing mouse moves (even simulated mouse moves) to occur in response to user inputs.

Mouse moves are the purview of the user, not a program.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...sid=1&pageNo=7

[algol]

I agree. Let's stick to the facts. No insults. Nothing personal.

And stick to the important points which, in my opinion, are:

1. This program uses prerecorded X Y coordinates.

2. The publisher claims Blizzard said this is okay.

3. Is this true?

No, it's not true. The post he's holding up as proof looks to boil down to "Hey, Blizzard - If I make a thing that follows your announced policy, is it okay to use?" with a response of "Well if it doesn't break any rules like you claim, then yes - IF."

And like Kicksome shows - someone more honest took up the obvious issue, and was answered.

[elsegundo]

that post has told me all i needed to know.

thanks guys for debating back and forth for the purpose of protecting the community as a whole.

[-silencer-]

Anyone else find it amusing that he's trying to capitalize on Rob's popularity with the name "KeyClone" by naming his own product "MouseCloner," as if it's the partner-product in multiboxing? He's trying to make money off Rob's product name, and if Rob cared, he could force Evilseed to rename his own product, similar to how Apple is doing with other brands using i-whatever.

[elsegundo]

Anyone else find it amusing that he's trying to capitalize on Rob's popularity with the name "KeyClone" by naming his own product "MouseCloner," as if it's the partner-product in multiboxing? He's trying to make money off Rob's product name, and if Rob cared, he could force Evilseed to rename his own product, similar to how Apple is doing with other brands using i-whatever.

what else would you call it? its a catchy name.
edit: i'd call it MultiMouseMan

ps. and why the insult?