Mousecloner is very likely against the rules

[Tehtsuo]

Keyclone has also disparaged alternatives, for which he's been attacked, and seems to have reevaluated his methods to his benefit. Evilseed will get the same treatment.

[Basilikos]

Alright. I read over Evilseed's query and Blizzard's reply. So far, it seems fine. Let's all just be careful that if we use such a program not to do bad things with it. IMO, this is just another case of the Logitech G15 issue. It can do bad things and we ought not use it for that.

[Kicksome]

Can we please not turn this thread or any other into a hate thread. Be cautious if you wish of his solution, but just drop the negativity.

If you don't want to use it, don't. Let Blizzard decide if it's legal.

If or when it is, it could be a really helpful tool to some of us.

I'm not being paid to help Evilseed lol...just tired of all of the negativity in the world these days.

Someone came to this forum HEAVILY promoting their product, and claiming things that were far from fact. What do you expect people to do? And If we had 10 more of these types of products with people who marketed as aggressively on the forums, it would ruin this place.

[Owltoid]

Can we please not turn this thread or any other into a hate thread. Be cautious if you wish of his solution, but just drop the negativity.

I agree. Let's stick to the facts. No insults. Nothing personal.

And stick to the important points which, in my opinion, are:

1. This program uses prerecorded X Y coordinates.

2. The publisher claims Blizzard said this is okay.

3. Is this true?

This ^

I don't like Mouseclone saying Blizzard approved it when the contreversal part was left out of the discussion. Mousecloner/Evilseed, can you please post where you received approval for predetermined X,Y coordinates? I will gladly request deletion of this thread and delete all posts possibly deemed negative towards your software.

[Bigfish]

Keyclone has also disparaged alternatives, for which he's been attacked, and seems to have reevaluated his methods to his benefit. Evilseed will get the same treatment.

Oh. Well, there you go.

[Owltoid]

Alright. I read over Evilseed's query and Blizzard's reply. So far, it seems fine. Let's all just be careful that if we use such a program not to do bad things with it. IMO, this is just another case of the Logitech G15 issue. It can do bad things and we ought not use it for that.

This is just not a good comparison. The G15 has other uses that are not of questionable legitimacy (it's a keyboard for example). The Mouseclone software's only purpose is to broadcast predetermined X,Y coordinates. Hell, if Mouseclone just added one simple addiontal feature that was not questionable then it would be like many other programs out there that have the capability to do things against the rules but the user could only be performing valid acts.

[Tonuss]

How does "predetermined X Y" work? I was under the impression that this functionality was removed, where an addon was using minimap pings to direct mouse input on clients. Cloning mouse input to allow different slave windows to mimick a master window sounds like something that I'd want Blizzard to clarify, which they seemed to do in his screenshots. As long as he's making an effort to get Blizzard's guidance and okay on it, I am okay with that. It's up to each person to check it out and determine if they're comfortable with the information being given.

But as always, my approach is to wait until Blizzard has made it clear enough to satisfy my own doubts.

[Svpernova09]

There is nothing wrong with anyone trying to come up with alternatives to help the community. There is nothing wrong with them trying to make a profit / compensation off their work. The community is trying to protect itself / each other imo. You can see how fast MC threads are getting replies / views as a testament to the overall concern the community has about it. As long as threads don't resort to blatant name calling I don't see a problem with criticism. After all, if you can't take criticism, don't post on the interwebz.


IMO, anyone selling ANYTHING here, should kick back directly via the donate button in the top menu. Not just referrals. You're being allowed to post to a target audience of an extremely niche, targeted user base of potentially over 22,165 unique people, for free. You have $0 advertising budget spent here. To the best of my knowledge, the only for profit Dev who kicks back to the site is Keyclone, and I commend him for it. People say this site is a big advert for keyclone, well, this many people using keyclone and the fanatical support by its author should speak VOLUMES about the kind of program it is.

[zanthor]

I can see two schools of thought here in how they relate to multiboxing and how you would broadcast mice.

The first school:
I press a hotkey and the mouse click replicates to one/some/all clients, where my mouse currently is on the window I am controlling.

Mechanics Involved: To accomplish this with hardware you quickly move a specific mouse to a corner then move it back to where you want to aim. With practice this movement becomes second nature and a click is executed at the same location on all PC's. To accomplish this with software the software moves the mouse on the clones to the current mouse location on the main, and broadcasts the click. The alternative is that the software ALWAYS updates the clients mouse pointer position but only broadcasts clicks on the hotkeys. (If you turn on the virtual mouse cursor in IS you will see this behavior demonstrated.)

My thoughts? Hardware is the purest form of broadcasting mice, it does have limitations as you have to zero the mouse and you (practically speaking) need to have identical resolutions on all machines. Additionally you have a chance of it coming unsynced. Software this is as close to hardware as you can get and avoids anything that may be seen as a form of automation.

The second school:
I press a hotkey and the mouse click sends to some/one/all clients at a pre-determined position which I cannot easily change on the fly.

Mechanics Involved: This is the equivilant of having individual mice setup across machines and having them pre-positioned. You press a hotkey to broadcast left click (this is able to be done in game with the default UI) and a click broadcasts. To accomplish this with pure software you will find that you need to position the cursor on each window before attempting this due to moving the mouse out of teh windows bounds you will have a mouse on the outside edge of the window.

My thoughts? The movement to a predetermined position is very similar in my mind to KeyClones hotstrings. You press a button and the software translates it before it reaches the other machines. I can see how this would fall into the area some purists would prefer to stay away from, but I think it still falls well within the spirit of 1 physical action = 1 action per client... unfortunately my opinion doesn't weigh heavily when Blizzards the ones making the call, so I've avoided this sort of thing in my IS setup.

[Owltoid]

How does "predetermined X Y" work? I was under the impression that this functionality was removed, where an addon was using minimap pings to direct mouse input on clients. Cloning mouse input to allow different slave windows to mimick a master window sounds like something that I'd want Blizzard to clarify, which they seemed to do in his screenshots. As long as he's making an effort to get Blizzard's guidance and okay on it, I am okay with that. It's up to each person to check it out and determine if they're comfortable with the information being given.

But as always, my approach is to wait until Blizzard has made it clear enough to satisfy my own doubts.

Inside the program you enter an X,Y coordinate (such as 14,27) and set a key binding to it (like Ctrl-C). Now every time Ctrl-C is clicked the mouse clicks at exactly 14,27.

IMO that is bordering on automation. If Blizzard gives the ok on the functionality, then more power to Mouseclone and I will also likely enable the feature in other programs I use. However, the real problem is that many think it's not ok by Blizzard, and Mouseclone has his website saying that his tool is totally accepted by Blizzard. The problem is Mouseclone never mentioned anything about predetermined X,Y coordinates.