When to stop gathering haste?

[Hachoo]

Using castrandom doesn't negate the benefits of Haste vs Crit, not sure why you would say that.

Because your rotation is: "Whatever the RNG picks", it might be lb, lb, cl, lb, lvb, fs one fight then cl, lb, lvb, fs, fs, lb, cl the next who knows. The points that have been made are moot since you've just injected another sense of randomness to your own equation. What's in your cast random? Are you spamming it like has been suggested in previous posts?

Really, my point is, until you give us more information about your rotation or your castrandom and how you use it, there's no way anyone can tell you which one is better because the baseline of most dps theorycrafting, here and on other sites (like EJ where I post often) assume a standard rotation. Because rotation random #1 might benefit more from haste, but then rotation random #2 might benefit more from crit.

In all reality, you're probably just better stacking crit. The only real benefit elemental shamans get from haste is squeezing in another lightning bolt into the lvb rotation. Your dps increase would likely be marginal if you stacked enough of it since you're just throwing spells at random.

There are some fairly decent rules of thumb, like getting hit is a fairly safe bet until you're capped. Know why? No, it isn't because hit is just soooo awesome, it's because for its budget cost, it blows everything else away (meaning you will generally get more hit for a given piece of gear, so the upgrade will be greater). However, even these rules are subject to interpretation, and while I know I'm a pretty anal person about it, some of you could seriously use some education on the subject.

And to this point. The reason hit is so important for elemental shaman is that if you miss a flame shock, you don't crit a lava burst. If you miss a lava burst, you then don't get a guaranteed proc of clearcast and elemental oath. So, if you're not hit capped in a raid setting, you're relying a lot on RNG to put out continual significant dps.

This post makes even less sense than your first one. I'm starting to think you don't understand how any of this works. You're saying haste is worthless if you don't use it to squeeze an extra LB in before a LvB? While I agree being able to do that is nice, its only a small part of haste helping out elemental shamans. Just because I use castrandom and don't squeeze in 5 LBs between LvBs doesn't mean the haste doesn't SPEED UP all of my casts, making my Chain Heals faster, making all casts faster therefore getting in more casts over the course of a boss fight then I would get in without haste.

The bottom line is, castrandom with 0 haste vs castrandom with 15% haste is a HUGE difference. castrandom with 30% crit vs castrandom with 40% crit is a difference also but I disagree that its anywhere near as much of a difference as the haste.

Your posts make you sound elitist except the fact that they're extremely narrow views and not looking at even 25% of the picture much less the whole picture.