Glory of the Hero - tips'n'tricks

[rulemaker]

Well which corner do you mean? the far "east" one on the right side of the stairs?

[Kaynin]

ehm...



blue = OT spot
green = healer
pink = DPS
red = Boss

[rulemaker]

well thats exactly the position i meant =)

isn't it doable without an offtank?

[Kaynin]

Without an offtank? Doable, probably yes, but will be harder.


Need to keep the big adds with the immune aura far away tho (as in the picture).

[Alemi]

Just some quick notes, as I've been pushing hard on these with my DK/4 shaman team.

Intense Cold is really easy even without a dispeler. PVP trinket + Free Action Potion make the chains not a problem.

Volazj's Quick Demise. I got this with a friend in the guild who BEGGED me to take him. 2 dks/3 shamans, we burned him down in 17 seconds. I just need to go back and get the last shaman his, but it's easy with bloodlust + burn.

Experienced Drake RIder you get from running occulus 3 times with each drake, you'll get at least 2 from the void achievements. Just swap up who you use on the Amber Void and it's done.

Amber Void. 3 rubies/2 emeralds or 2 rubies/3 emeralds. I found 2 rubies much easier.

Ruby Void/Emerald Void - 5 amber drakes with a proper rotation of channeling/shocking + time stops makes this pretty easy. I use a 3/2 split ont he channel/shock just to account for the GCD from time stops.

Less Rabi kept giving me trouble because I'd get stunned at the wrong time. Made me sad. Ended up respecing 1 shaman into Reverb and it wsa much easier.

Chaos Theory - I just kept everyone together, dropped 4x healing streams and aoed down the adds with Death and Decay and magma totems.

Split Personality - Stupidily easy for a 4 shaman team. Hex all 3 splits and drop magma totems in the center. Let magma do all the damage. Tstorm when needed, fire nova if they pop out. Easy.

Those are the ones I generally hear people have problems with. The ONLY one I have left is Make it Count. I got Ley-Guard in 22 minutes today running 2 emerald/2 ruby/1 amber. It just sucks that this is a once a day attempt. Assuming all goes well, I should have 4 of my guys in red protos tomorrow with the 5th to follow when i get him the last 3 he need (i.e. when a tnak friend of mine who's been pushing on these comes back).

The only two achievements you may need some help on are Shave the Love (becuase you need 2 tanks to taunt) and Watch Him Die (becuase you need a kiter - but you could do this with some well timed totems/swiftness pots).

[Kaynin]

Alemi, about

Volazj's Quick Demise. I got this with a friend in the guild who BEGGED me to take him. 2 dks/3 shamans, we burned him down in 17 seconds. I just need to go back and get the last shaman his, but it's easy with bloodlust + burn.

I can burn him to about 30-35% and get a double insanity. Got through the double insanity once by positioning in a small cleft and the use of AoE but the insanity so far has always killed the DK tank I bring with me (very good geared tank but 8 elemental shamans kill him in a few seconds.). I can get through it because of grounding totem, magma totem, Thunderstorm and spamheal while doing a few chainheals here and there. But without a tank I can't finish him off. :<

I did around 4200 dps average per head until insanity hit, it seems impossible to kill him in the first insanity's cast time for me. How much dps did your group do to kill him before that happens?

[Alemi]

Alemi, about

Volazj's Quick Demise. I got this with a friend in the guild who BEGGED me to take him. 2 dks/3 shamans, we burned him down in 17 seconds. I just need to go back and get the last shaman his, but it's easy with bloodlust + burn.

I can burn him to about 30-35% and get a double insanity. Got through the double insanity once by positioning in a small cleft and the use of AoE but the insanity so far has always killed the DK tank I bring with me (very good geared tank but 8 elemental shamans kill him in a few seconds.). I can get through it because of grounding totem, magma totem, Thunderstorm and spamheal while doing a few chainheals here and there. But without a tank I can't finish him off. :<

I did around 4200 dps average per head until insanity hit, it seems impossible to kill him in the first insanity's cast time for me. How much dps did your group do to kill him before that happens?

I just checked DBM. Best kill - 21 seconds. So 20.5k group dps, about 4.1k. 2nd insanity was cast right as he died. We had 8 visages each, and all but my DK died but we got our achievement and loot. :P

Stupid questions...

1. assist doesn't -always- seem to work through insanity, do you have /target Herald Vol on your slaves to make sure they nuke? (I've noticed on previous attempts where 2 shamans get my herald target and the other 2 don't, not sure why)
2. are you spreading out and staying away from your DK? Keeping the shaman all grouped up means that the visages will all appear on you, and thunderstorm you around and cancel those crucial casts to get him to 30% during the first insanity, so he casts the 2nd and stays targetable - and the DK visage almost 100% of the time lead off with a mind freeze.
3. Totem buffs do not carry through insanity, so I found it IMMENSELY helpful to drop 4 totem of wraths, 4 wrath of airs, etc.
4. Fire Elementals are useless once the first insanity goes off, don't use them (use ToW's instead - see above) - and if the 2nd insanity does go off with him at say 5%, then use your fire ele totems... I did this on the 2nd kill I had doing this and the visages went down in no time while i just spammed LHW. My dk died horribly, but the shamans all lived.

The other suggestion. He starts his first cast at around 70% (i thin, if you want to buy some extra time, wait until he mind flays then take him down below 70%. I found this too hard to time with flame shocks/dk diseases and army of the dead out, but others may find it useful. I.E. take to 72% wait for a mind flay, burn him by the time the mind flay is done, you should have gotten him down another 10% and buy yourself more time.

If your dk is dying during the 2nd insanity with 8 visages, what spec is he? I can generally survive by using AMS and running like hell, dropping a dnd and continually losing shaman around pillars (It feels like I'm on the opposite end of S4, really). When I do this, my shaman die, but since he's solo controlling he shouldn't have an issue.

[Kaynin]

Weird, no I get both insanities at the same time.

At 70% he starts to cast the first one, during the cast I get him to around 30% then insanity goes off and suddenly there's 6 shamans and 2 dk's per character to fight in one insanity. (8 bursting shammies for the DK )

Keeping the shaman all grouped up means that the visages will all appear on you, and thunderstorm you around and cancel those crucial casts to get him to 30% during the first insanity, so he casts the 2nd and stays targetable

I've no idea what you mean by this, the rest is clear but, does the boss stay targetable for you once he has cast the first insanity? For me he just dissappears when the double insanity spawns. Or maybe I have to get him to precisely 40% and right when he casts the first insanity then a hit to get him below 40% in a split second so he starts casting the second one after that?

The way I see it he casts insanity at 70% and 40%. If you get him to below 40% the first cast just does a double insanity, but he doesn't cast twice.

I group up because if I get a double insanity I have a few seconds time to kill at least 4 visages per character without getting overrun and need aoe for that.


The DK was frost spec when we tried it. But he just dies so quick.

edit: Oh and for targeting in insanity I just have a /targetnearestenemy whatever thingy in my dps macro's as extra so they keep dpsing an enemy regardless of being with or without the 'leader'.

[Alemi]

Weird, no I get both insanities at the same time.

Keeping the shaman all grouped up means that the visages will all appear on you, and thunderstorm you around and cancel those crucial casts to get him to 30% during the first insanity, so he casts the 2nd and stays targetable

I've no idea what you mean by this, the rest is clear but, does the boss stay targetable for you once he has cast the first insanity? For me he just dissappears when the double insanity spawns. Or maybe I have to get him to precisely 40% and right when he casts the first insanity then a hit to get him below 40% in a split second so he starts casting the second one after that?

I group up because if I get a double insanity I have a few seconds time to kill at least 4 visages per character without getting overrun and need aoe for that.


The DK was frost spec when we tried it. But he just dies so quick.

You will get both insanities at the same time if you don't kill him before the 2nd goes off. Basically, we pulled bloodlusted/EMed etc.

0-10 seconds - popping cooldowns, flame shock + LB spam
10-15 seconds - first insanity cast time - LVB here, LB spam
15 second - first insanity done casting, group disappears - you loose all totem buffs not from that particular player, visages will spawn at this point but if he's under 35% (may be wrong on the exact %) he'll stay targetable as he casts the 2nd insanity , and continue nuking as he does his 2nd cast.
15-20 seconds - second insanity cast - burn burn burn, you want to get him from 33%->dead before this goes off. If it doesn't, it's not the end of the world, but it is a little harder.

What i mean is that if you have your shaman grouped up, when that first set of 4 visages spawn on you, they'll all immediately thunderstorm you around. You don't want this to happen becuase you want to be able to cast during this period on the targetable Herald. Visages do spawn from where the player is so if you're shaman are spread out > 15 yrds, the visages will choose to lightning bolt you, instead of thunderstorming you - allowing you to continue being nuke happy on Mr. Herald.

Is that a littler clearer or am I just babbling?

And to your DK tank - when the visages spawn, all he should do is immediately pop AMS and raise dead. and run LOS to your shamans (in any of the cubby holes around the room) all the visages will have to run los to him where he can drop a dead and decay and howling blast. As the shaman are casting he just runs around the pillar of of LOS. Visages are stupid and will stand in the death and decay trying to nuke a target who's running LOS - and if he does get caught in a thunderstorm/out in the open he has his pet to Death Pact.

When i tried to stand in the open in take out the shamans one by one, it was awful. This way reminds me of LOS druids in S4 arena, but it works. I play unholy, so I usually just get an icy touch and pets all the shaman on me, and then play the LOS game rinsing between DND and Blood Boil cackling at myself - he can just use HB when it's not on rune CD and cackle just as happily.

Worse comes to worse on our failed attempts we'd get him to 7-8% during the visage casts, but I can't keep my shaman AND DK up at the same time unfortunately so we'd have to get him to 0 before the 2nd insanity went off.

[Kaynin]

Okay, I'd have to give it a go again. Oo

I only tried to burst tactic twice, but both times when the first insanity went off (boss was around 30%, one time 29% positive when first insanity cast completed.) the boss dissappeared and I got two insanities at the same time, instantly. Double amount of visages spawn at the same time, murdering my dk and me too the first time, second time I did the aoe thing, I survived but DK died still in a horrible way, then we figured it probably wouldn't work.

The third time I stopped at 45%, let the first insanity come, deal with it, do some damage, second insanity, deal with that, kill boss. But was a 2 minute and 25 second fight, the second insanity took too long as I lost a shaman. :<

Still weird how you got the boss to be targetable during the first insanity, casting the second insanity whilest for me the boss just ignored the second cast for me and just did spawned double visages on the first cast. :P