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  1. #401

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'glo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=183067#post1830 67
    Watching you get repeatedly owned by a fresh level 60 I got to see what you were talking about with the fluidity. Your machines are great but you are really horrible at doing anything with them. After watching you play I have to say "give up". I feel sorry for you as well.
    Haha.

    The main issue with Sam's setup is that he's simply one guy trying to play 25 characters at once. Whether Sam realizes it or not, the issue that he is going to continue to see is the lack of effective movement control among his characters. Arguably, movement control (or lack thereof) is the number one thing that causes boxers to fail aganist single players. Sam is taking a multi-boxer issue that exists in all playstyles (PvE and PvP) and then is multiplying it by 5 with his line of 25 characters. One or two characters will always be able to demolish half or all of his line, simply because he's not going to be able to react on Shaman 16 while Shaman 25 is being hit and Paladin 1 is feared. The only way Sam will "win" at this is if he gets the jump on a single character. I figure that even freshly at 80, in quest gear, Sam should be able to produce about 36,000 damage per one round of 24 lightning bolts. 36k damage is awesome for 25-vs-1, but the reality of the situation is that if you simply run through him while he's trying to LB, then he will need to reposition per each cast. In the meantime, you'll be chopping through his characters effortesly.

    It's a catch-22, Sam will be able to claim that he (as a single player) can produce the most damage in the game (only because he has the most WoW accounts), but he'll be a sitting duck for everything else besides old world content. Let's not even talk about how he's planning on gearing up his characters (we know that Heroics can only be done every 24 hours, and I'd imagine that it would be a real PITA trying to do different Heroics w/ different Shaman once they're fresh at 80. This may be a long term goal for Mr. Deathwalker though, we'll have to wait and see.)

    Edit: Additional thoughts - I believe that if Sam were to actually play the game up to 80, he would have a much better understanding of what 5 (or 25) characters can and cannot accomplish. Also (yes, I know its a moot point now), but surely Sam would be able to level faster had he embarked on the whole leveling adventure with one set of characters at a time. I can appreciate what Sam is doing though, simply because no one else is doing it. I just don't think that the reward at the end is going to be something that will receive any kind of medal. You can only claim that you're the best at something if there's an actual metric for which to measure "best". The only measurement of "best" in this game would be through the achievement system; when you have attained all achievements, then you can say that you're among the "best". Other than that, trying to measure "the best" by having the most characters is silly, surely you can see this. You have the most, yes, this is true. No one will argue with you on that, but the best talk should be saved until you reach the level cap and accomplish some of the aforementioned achievements with your team.

    Cheers.
    Rin
    Retired 10-Boxer (Wildhammer [A], Burning Legion [H]-USA)

  2. #402

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Rin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=183197#post1831 97
    I figure that even freshly at 80, in quest gear, Sam should be able to produce about 36,000 damage per one round of 24 lightning bolts. 36k damage is awesome for 25-vs-1, but the reality of the situation is that if you simply run through him while he's trying to LB, then he will need to reposition per each cast. In the meantime, you'll be chopping through his characters effortesly.
    Assuming he doesn't figure out how to position his characters to cover each other.

  3. #403

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    I should be making fraps of the encounters, I slaughtered Ganktu (a low level DK from Nerzhul as he was trying to level) or somthing and Loja again this morning. He comes at me I hit him with frost shock while I am moving, he slows down I follow with lightnight bolt. They both dies multiple times.

    Glo why dont you come and make some SS of me and loja, there is no way he can beat me now.

    Im going to start 7 fire mages tonight and maybe expand to 6-7 groups, each with a mage leader. Thanks for all the help that pyroblast is 35 yards ...

    I already know how to self cover. Bind a key to "move forward" on 1/2 the guys. Run stright with all, hit the key to break auto follow, 1/2 stop. Continue with the other 1/2 then back up the leader stright back until the followers turn around. Bingo 1/2 will hit you no matter where you stand. I don't use it though cause I dont need it yet.

    Its obviouly whos the best; right now I am better then Loja cause I can kill him at will, and glo's 5 dks' is better then me cause he can kill me at will. In direct pvp its clear who is better, who can kill the strongest mob.

    Maybe I am not articulating things clear enough.

    I won EQ1 (NOT WOW) as this thread is over a month old and NO ONE has suggested ANY EQ1 player was better then me pre-SoD. If you can name someone in EQ1 who beat me or was overall stonger (my 26 guys vs. whatever they have), then give their characters names and why they were better, in EQ1.

    In WoW I am like 4 millionth right now.

    I am sure that Glo figures he is better then I am, if that is the case then tell me why and when I beat you usuing that criteria then we can all agree that I am better at that point.

    The simplest determination is who can kill the strongest mob. Going out and getting achiviments for exploring the world dosnt take much skillz.

  4. #404

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    Are.......are you guys still getting trolled?
    [align=center]My teams:
    Dentarg eu- 70 Paladin/Shaman/Magex3
    Dentarg eu- 80 Shamanx4/80 DkDklolswe

    [/align]

  5. #405

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=183254#p ost183254
    I should be making fraps of the encounters, I slaughtered Ganktu (a low level DK from Nerzhul as he was trying to level) or somthing and Loja again this morning. He comes at me I hit him with frost shock while I am moving, he slows down I follow with lightnight bolt. They both dies multiple times.

    Glo why dont you come and make some SS of me and loja, there is no way he can beat me now.

    Im going to start 7 fire mages tonight and maybe expand to 6-7 groups, each with a mage leader. Thanks for all the help that pyroblast is 35 yards ...

    I already know how to self cover. Bind a key to "move forward" on 1/2 the guys. Run stright with all, hit the key to break auto follow, 1/2 stop. Continue with the other 1/2 then back up the leader stright back until the followers turn around. Bingo 1/2 will hit you no matter where you stand. I don't use it though cause I dont need it yet.
    You have a bad memory don't you? Ganktu is the guy that was soloing you last night. There is something really funny going on here but I'll let you figure it out on your own, don't want to ruin the surprise it shouldn't take you long ;))
    glo.......80 Prot Pal.....deathglo....80 DK..................
    globee...80 Ele Sham...deafvader..80 DK....Alliance side..
    glocee...80 Ele Sham...darfvader...80 DK...LightningHoof..
    glodee...80 Ele Sham...sithknight..80 DK.......................
    glostyle..80 Res Sham..deathvader.80 DK........................

  6. #406

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Rin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=183197#post1831 97
    I figure that even freshly at 80, in quest gear, Sam should be able to produce about 36,000 damage per one round of 24 lightning bolts. 36k damage is awesome for 25-vs-1, but the reality of the situation is that if you simply run through him while he's trying to LB, then he will need to reposition per each cast. In the meantime, you'll be chopping through his characters effortesly.
    Also keep in mind that he's playing Shaman. If he has half of them drop a magma totem and the other half drop staggered fire nova (with stuns), he wouldn't really have to worry about someone attempting to run through his main. An Earthbind to keep a melee slowed, a hex or 2 for CC, there are a lot of things that 25 shaman can do. Let's also remember that at 70 he'll get some fire elementals to play with as well. (Is that 70 or 68? been awhile for me.) Plus staggering the drop of tremor totems, grounding totems, etc, etc.

    Hmmm, plus the crafted blue pvp gear for leather working aint bad--plus, unlike the engineering, he'd only need one. Granted farming the mats would be a pain in the ass, but considering that he'd only need one leatherworker while his veritable herd of tauren mows down mobs as he moves through an area... leatherworking would be a nice way to break free from the reliance on gear from instances. Plus the legkits are nice.

    Hell, a leatherworker and a tailor to feed an enchanter... that would work well. Out of 26 toons, you really only need to have 1 BS (armor for the pally), 1 Leatherworker (make mail for all the shammies), 1 Enchanter (to enchant all the gear), 1 tailor (might as use all that cloth you gather to make greens to feed the enchanter) maybe one Jewelcrafter... beyond that, the rest could be engineers. If you get a power leveling guide, leveling engineering isn't hard until you reach about 250. 250-300 is a pain in the ass, but 300-420 is a breeze in compairision. I shudder at the sheer amount of mats that it takes to level even 5 engineers (plus a BS and a JC) but it is doable.

    IMO, Sam, you need to add both a warlock and a mage to your group for rapid transit. If you form your group into a raid, then one mage portal can cart you back to any city without the hearthstone. The way warlock summoning works now is also nice.

    If you are going to level in instances, than I'd reccommend hitting RFD after SM. RFD has the advantage (like SM) of being in horde territory so you can run your shaman army through it over and over again without fear of getting ganked (unless you flag). It's about the same level as Sm Cath (if I remember correctly) but it's longer. The end boss drops some nice plate that might be a boon for your pally, there are a couple of nice caster drops--like rings and neckpieces as well. After RFD, there is Ulda, ZF and then BRD. Once you hit 55ish (I think) you can start doing the old school 10 man raids--LBRS and maybe UBRS.

    Hell, I *think* that you can get into Dire Maul at 45ish(its a level 60 instance though). I forget where it's 5 or 10 man, but there are a lot of AoE packs in there.

    Once you hit 60, you can start hitting up MC, BWL, AQ40 will be nice b/c you will be able to gear your shaman a bit better, have all the toons in the zone and, of course, get the achievements.

    IMO, questing with 26 toons is probably not the best way to go unless you are doing kill quests. You might be better served breaking them in half and leveling in smaller numbers to get to Outland faster. If nothing else, you might be better served leveling 5 toons to 60ish and then rotating your lower level guys through soem of the 10 mans. I don't know how effective that is--so take that with a grain of salt.

    Anyway, I can understand the drive to be the best, but I don't understand that metric that is being used to determine 'the best' in this thread. The biggest problem with MMO's is that they really don't have a condition where there is a 'win'. You can't really reach a threshhold and look back and say 'Yes, I have won.' The closest that I can think of in wow *might* be the old pvp system where you could get the title of High Warlord. I think that someone that had at least 5 High Warlord titles could be considered elite. At this point in the game, I would therefore suggest that in order to be the best, you would have to maybe have both the PVE/Dungeon achievements AND the PVP BG Achievments. A lot of those PvP achievements would be difficult for any multiboxer due to the nature of the achievments and how they need to be aquired. That would at least entitle you lay a claim that you've completed content that both Solo players could do and other boxers. There is also a ranking world wide for people that have completed a lot of achievements.

    Other than that, good luck to all participating in the thread.

  7. #407

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    Ganktu got slaughtered by me this morning. I'm be online tonight Im taking SS this time to put and end to any claim that a single level 60 DK can kill me.

    Also I have a SS of me getting 60K exp per hour by titan bars (on 4 guys with raf)... that place is a gold mine of exp lol. No time to post it now though.

    I have all the major Trade skills around 200 right now, 1 of each.

  8. #408

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    You killing a level 60 Death Knight doesn't mean a level 60 Death Knight can't kill you.

  9. #409

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    No but if I kill him 51% of the time then Im better then he is.

    Also thats not clear at all if he trys 10 times in a row to kill me then I would assume that he can't. Surely a level 40 mage or whatever can;t kill all of me lol.

  10. #410

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=183268#p ost183268
    Ganktu got slaughtered by me this morning. I'm be online tonight Im taking SS this time to put and end to any claim that a single level 60 DK can kill me.

    Also I have a SS of me getting 60K exp per hour by titan bars (on 4 guys with raf)... that place is a gold mine of exp lol. No time to post it now though.

    I have all the major Trade skills around 200 right now, 1 of each.
    I watched him kill you quite a few times last night and I do have screen shots.
    glo.......80 Prot Pal.....deathglo....80 DK..................
    globee...80 Ele Sham...deafvader..80 DK....Alliance side..
    glocee...80 Ele Sham...darfvader...80 DK...LightningHoof..
    glodee...80 Ele Sham...sithknight..80 DK.......................
    glostyle..80 Res Sham..deathvader.80 DK........................

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