WTB DK Tank Spec

[blbjtb]

Right now im unholy but with the changes they are making to a few of the skills Im really asking myself If I want to stay with some of these skills

AMZ is down to 10sec... IMHO doesnt really seem worth it what do you think?
Gargoyle (used to be a min now down to 30 sec and does half the dmg it used it) Doesnt seem worth it

Post what you think is going to be a good build and toss in some explanation of what.

Here is what I was looking @
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=210917020506
(This is what I was) and it seems to work pretty well. Im just questioning Gargoyle and AMZ

[Hachoo]

Er... I don't use gargoyle for tanking and I can count the number of times since creating my DK that I've used anti magic zone on one hand. I do use anti magic shell some which is actually getting a cooldown reduction.

Reviewing the rest of the patch notes I can say I definitely won't be speccing out of Unholy because it has 2 talents that I use almost every single pull and I personally feel I can't live without:

Morbidity
and
Unholy Blight

I use unholy blight for damage and aggro generation on every pull as I almost always have the RP for it (I don't use gargoyle, death coil, rune strike, or anything like that - I'm all about the AoE threat/damage). Also I use DnD on every pull - at first I didn't need the morbidity talent but now if I didn't have it I'd be waiting on DnD every pull since it takes ~15 seconds per pull and the base cooldown is 30. Also since the UB RP use was lowered to 40 I can spam it even more now.

[blbjtb]

Looks to me that Bloodcaked blade as well as Necrosis 20% extra dmg per strike is your friend lol plus it make a decent sub for getting rid of AMZ and imp shield as well as gargoyle for me
Im looking AT something like this

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=092117020605

Ive never really been sold on desecration Just seems like a doo doo talent for PVE and not stellar for PVP so its just a filler slot i suppose.
And Wondering Plague Ive heard is total trash..... So IDK lol

[Niley]

Looks to me that Bloodcaked blade as well as Necrosis 20% extra dmg per strike is your friend lol plus it make a decent sub for getting rid of AMZ and imp shield as well as gargoyle for me
Im looking AT something like this

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=092117020605

Ive never really been sold on desecration Just seems like a doo doo talent for PVE and not stellar for PVP so its just a filler slot i suppose.
And Wondering Plague Ive heard is total trash..... So IDK lol

That spec is bad, few thing to point out:

1. Butchery - completely useless fro a tank
2. NIght of the dead - Also useless
3.Glyphs....3 are good, 3 are bad , for tanking You should get icy touch, dark command, if You use macro to tank glyph of SS is worthless, use bone shield or even plague strike instead.
4.Unholy aura is really nice for boxing
5.Desecration is 3.16% dps increase, its not that good for a tank, either use 5 points in it or none.
6. You're also missing a lot of talents that are considered major for a dk tank.
I'm currently using dk cookie cutter unholy spec,
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-t...das&n=Crisethe

[Hachoo]

Looks to me that Bloodcaked blade as well as Necrosis 20% extra dmg per strike is your friend lol plus it make a decent sub for getting rid of AMZ and imp shield as well as gargoyle for me
Im looking AT something like this

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=092117020605

Ive never really been sold on desecration Just seems like a doo doo talent for PVE and not stellar for PVP so its just a filler slot i suppose.
And Wondering Plague Ive heard is total trash..... So IDK lol

That spec is bad, few thing to point out:

1. Butchery - completely useless fro a tank
2. NIght of the dead - Also useless
3.Glyphs....3 are good, 3 are bad , for tanking You should get icy touch, dark command, if You use macro to tank glyph of SS is worthless, use bone shield or even plague strike instead.
4.Unholy aura is really nice for boxing
5.Desecration is 3.16% dps increase, its not that good for a tank, either use 5 points in it or none.
6. You're also missing a lot of talents that are considered major for a dk tank.
I'm currently using dk cookie cutter unholy spec,
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-t...das&n=Crisethe

Why exactly is wandering plague not part of the "cookie cutter spec"? I'm just curious - I see at least 2 talents in there I'd give up in a heartbeat for wandering plague. More AoE damage/threat that is basically automatically applied? Yes please. Personally I think wandering plague is one of the better AoE tanking talents unless by some magical nature it does not apply threat towards the DK.

I think I'm going to drop Unholy Aura when I respec tomorrow though, I have had absolutely 0 use for it since I took it. Normally it would be OK for PvP but for a boxer its not even really good for that since lots of movement in PvP pretty much cuts DPS to near zero. To me the 15% isn't even really a noticeable increase (I can't visibly tell I'm moving any faster) and when I run alongside someone who doesn't have it I just barely move faster then them.

[Niley]

Wandering plague isnt a bad talent, its iirc, a 1.94% increase per point, so it isn't bad at all, but for a main tanking Dk there is better talents to get. Also wp has internal cd
Do a wws for Your run, and You'll see that wp will do about 2 maybe 3% of the damage at the end of a heroic run, And that;s with dps Dk, that has almost 30% crit, You have 8%...

Also about desecration:

Just a bit of an aside here, Desecration is an awful talent for a tank (and a pretty bad talent for any PvE situation). The fact is, due to Epidemic, you just aren't Plague Striking often enough to refresh the 12sec Desecration (and if you are, you're nerfing your damage much more than the 5% would provide). So, it ends up being an increase in DPS by about 3.33%, which is pretty low for the steep cost of 5 talent points (Blizzard has stated that for DPS talents, the "rule of thumb" is about 1% DPS increase per talent point. Plus, if you're DPSing with the Glyph of Scourge Strike, Desecration has even more downtime, sometimes drastically so. Desecration is a PvP talent, through and through.

[blbjtb]

Hrmm Ok after reading wandering plague Ya lol that does Sound good. But seriously it sounds Almost too good. My crit chance (even in Tank gear) is 20 % so if im hitting and spreading the plague around with pestalance (like ive been known to do) The dmg from this just seems a bit Crazy....

[Niley]

Hrmm Ok after reading wandering plague Ya lol that does Sound good. But seriously it sounds Almost too good. My crit chance (even in Tank gear) is 20 % so if im hitting and spreading the plague around with pestalance (like ive been known to do) The dmg from this just seems a bit Crazy....

I already said its about 2 or 3% increase...which is ok, but by far not amazing.

My crit chance (even in Tank gear) is 20 %

uhh do You gem or chant for crit? or can we see a link to Your armory?

[blbjtb]

Looks to me that Bloodcaked blade as well as Necrosis 20% extra dmg per strike is your friend lol plus it make a decent sub for getting rid of AMZ and imp shield as well as gargoyle for me
Im looking AT something like this

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=092117020605

Ive never really been sold on desecration Just seems like a doo doo talent for PVE and not stellar for PVP so its just a filler slot i suppose.
And Wondering Plague Ive heard is total trash..... So IDK lol

That spec is bad, few thing to point out:

1. Butchery - completely useless fro a tank
2. NIght of the dead - Also useless
3.Glyphs....3 are good, 3 are bad , for tanking You should get icy touch, dark command, if You use macro to tank glyph of SS is worthless, use bone shield or even plague strike instead.
4.Unholy aura is really nice for boxing
5.Desecration is 3.16% dps increase, its not that good for a tank, either use 5 points in it or none.
6. You're also missing a lot of talents that are considered major for a dk tank.
I'm currently using dk cookie cutter unholy spec,
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-t...das&n=Crisethe

1. Butchery More Runic power more Death coil (only thing I could think of plus it gets my blight out there a bit quicker) However the primary reason I took this was to keep the garg out longer... Now that hes not really a factor I could drop this yes I suppose
2. Night of the dead.. Gives your pet 70% avoidance to AOE (thats pretty big coming from a warlock) It makes a difference. Not to mention 10 min cd on Army of Dead is pretty pimp
3. Dark Command the detail on it was kinda bleh to me.. Makes it work 8% better. LOL well as of yet it hasnt failed me soooo. ya
4. Unholy aura... Umm running faster not a huge deal to me @ least not that I can think of
5. Desecration ya I took it out it was just being used as filler anyway
6.The only thing im really missing from "Cookie cutter" Is the lack of AMZ and after the patch 10 sec is just Freaking useless imho.

[Niley]

eh, seems like you're set to do what You want to do anyway, so I'm done trying to convince You
Good luck with Your dk!

PS visit elitist jerks forums for some good advice.