Logitech G18

[Cash]

I have been using my first G15 for years now and now, with starting to multibox, really started using the G-Keys. Pretty much intuitive to coordinate 3 different chars. The 2x2 layout - I don't know. Maybe would come in handy when playing 4 chars.

[jettzypher]

Will then you are going to be horribly disappointed with the X6 since it only has 6 physical "X" keys....hence the 6.....

incorrect...when game-mode is enabled, the keys on the keypad becomes macro keys. and just because i know ill be told im wrong:

Switchable key pad
Flexible design, choose right side or left side configuration. Switch between standard key pad and macro pad in gaming mode.

Macro keys
Up to 30 programmable keys that can allow up to 90 programmable options with an assigned gaming profile.

straight from microsofts website. maybe you should have fully read everything about it and maybe you wouldnt have hated it so bad...

on a lighter note...wanna sell it? i want one but most companies wont ship to APO/FPO addresses anymore.

[Herc130]

Maybe the keypad does that. My use doesn't really need much macro keys for my main account, I just need them to be able to toggle auto-repeat. X6 does not toggle to auto-repeat. It only allows me to hit the "cruise" key and while holding the "cruise" key down, hit the key I want to repeat. I need to be able to tap it into auto-repeat and forget about it. So far, G15's and n52 are the only keyboard/gamepad I have tried that does it. X-keys, X6, ideazone fang gamepad and keyboards do not. Just got the X13 pad in yesterday, pretty big compared to an n52, but looks and feels much more of a quality build. Will hook it up once I get around to it, but no doubt it will toggle repeat just like the G15. And no you can't buy my x6. I'd rather toss it out the window or give it to a friend then go through the hassle of cashing in what you send me and mailing it to you lol.

[Drizzit]

My opinion = extremely gimmicky.

I've got the original G15 keyboard - and the only thing I use on it is the backlit keys. The LCD is actually annoying most of the time.

Agree. Thank god i bought it when it had it's 3 rows of macro instead of 1 or 2. Granted i don't use then (at least for now), but why would they take out 1 or 2 rows? I love the backlit keys, the LCD is sometimes helpful, usually only helpful in solo play, but i only look at the LCD to see how my gear is (it give a percent of how much gear you have left).

I looked at the G13 and doesn't seem that good for me at least. I still love my Fang gamepad. I think the only thing bad about getting special keypads, gamepads and addons is that you get so use to it that you cannot play well with out it. I went on a training trip for work and brought my wife's laptop. OMG learning how to play on a laptop was a pain, having to use the wasd keys to move without the gamepad. The good thing is that i first learned how to play using no gamepad, a normal keyboard, no addons and a clicker so wasn't that hard.

[Hor]

I'm kinda on the fence about the G18, largely because of the price tag. And I want to actually get my hands on a G13 before I buy it, the main draw (for me) on the G13 is the movement pad. I've got a FANG now, but I don't really care for it. In the end I'd really just like some more programmable keys than the 6 on my G15.

[Caspian]

Logitech has the Old Style g15's in stock right now. They got a stack of them out of a wearhouse, all brand new.

I bought one and it works just fine, all in origional packaging and everything.

The only cool thing about the new G18 is the color's, and the volume adjuster... but no way is that worth $199 lol!

Be careful with this, I ordered one of those on the 12th and just got one, with 6 G keys - not a happy camper right now.

And the 18 G key models are no longer on the site anyways :/

Maybe the keypad does that. My use doesn't really need much macro keys
for my main account, I just need them to be able to toggle auto-repeat.
X6 does not toggle to auto-repeat. It only allows me to hit the
"cruise" key and while holding the "cruise" key down, hit the key I
want to repeat. I need to be able to tap it into auto-repeat and forget
about it. So far, G15's and n52 are the only keyboard/gamepad I have
tried that does it. X-keys, X6, ideazone fang gamepad and keyboards do
not. Just got the X13 pad in yesterday, pretty big compared to an n52,
but looks and feels much more of a quality build. Will hook it up once
I get around to it, but no doubt it will toggle repeat just like the
G15. And no you can't buy my x6. I'd rather toss it out the window or
give it to a friend then go through the hassle of cashing in what you
send me and mailing it to you lol.

And, not to be a prick or goody two shoes or anything but using the G keys or n52 to Auto repeat a key stroke(s) is against the WoW TOS. The reason I know this is because I specifically bought the N52te to do just that, then started doing some research into it and found multiple blue posts regarding the G15 and N52. The hardware themselves are fine to use but using the macro functions players are "warned" to be careful one keystroke = 1 action blah blah - you know the drill by now. Which is why I wanted an 18 G key G15, I want the extra G keys for straight hot keys in an easy to get to spot. So with the extra scrutiny boxers face, a GM looks at your account and sees that you you perform X action every Y seconds, exactly - you might have issues. I don't care if you do it now or if you have been doing it forever with no issues, that's cool, I am just tossing this out there so anyone who didn't know and reads the thread does know that there is the potential to get hit with the ban hammer for "fire and forget" macros on these devices.

[Hor]

Caspian's got a point, I got a temp ban because of this. Back when people were AFKing AV like mad, I got hit with the rest. I was later reinstated, having found a false positive (Had the keyboard, but hadn't been using it to click repeatedly, keeping me from AFKing in AV).

My main interest in the G Keys is for things like button combinations. Like I use Ctrl 1 for an assist/focus Polymorph macro on my Mage. Or, Ctrl 2 to Banish with my lock, etc. I have all 6 of mine set already on my keyboard, I need more though.

[Herc130]

And, not to be a prick or goody two shoes or anything but using the G keys or n52 to Auto repeat a key stroke(s) is against the WoW TOS

I don't play WoW.

I am not sure it is bannable in Everquest, but people have been using gamepads for years (before WoW even started lol) to auto-repeat archry before SoE made /auto-fire as a command, so I doubt it is. EQ is getting so low on players, I think if they are headhunting, it is for far more serious stuff then this. Not that I think it is illegal either as I rememeber before I bought my G15, we had a big discussion on the SoE boards on it and were told by devs that the use of the keyboard is not against any rules.

[Caspian]

And, not to be a prick or goody two shoes or anything but using the G keys or n52 to Auto repeat a key stroke(s) is against the WoW TOS

I don't play WoW.

I am not sure it is bannable in Everquest, but people have been using gamepads for years (before WoW even started lol) to auto-repeat archry before SoE made /auto-fire as a command, so I doubt it is. EQ is getting so low on players, I think if they are headhunting, it is for far more serious stuff then this. Not that I think it is illegal either as I rememeber before I bought my G15, we had a big discussion on the SoE boards on it and were told by devs that the use of the keyboard is not against any rules.

That's cool, I wasn't sure if you played WoW or not since you didn't say. It's why I also specifically said WoW's ToS, because I don't know other game's rules. It is good info and any newer WoW boxers to consider though.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya I don't think its bannable for EQ. The ranger forum was using auto fire for years (top rangers in top guilds) ...

Ya its a no no in WoW though.