Would you buy or no

[RobinGBrown]

Regardless of wether it's a good price or not that box will devalue about 50% in the first three months - so you're blowing about $4K to get a top spec box for up to 3 months.

You'd have to be pretty rich and pretty dumb to go for that

Please share us your infinite wisdom, oh wise one.

If it takes me 140 hours to compile a terrain database on a Q6600/8GB machine, and it only takes me 48 hours on an i7 965/12GB machine

Hold your generalizations for the kiddies who think the world revolves around gaming.

For your own argument without regard to non-gaming use, the price of this box won't devalue by more than 10-15% in the next 3 months since i7 965, 12GB memory, etc will STILL be the best available. A couple new videocards will be out soon, but that's a minor difference in price when you're talking about the overall cost of a high performance system.

I did make a generalization yes, but you were an ass about it, this is an internet forum, not the source of all knowledge. Just because you have a highly specialised field where processing power makes a serious difference doesn't mean that everyone else does.

IIRC all computer hardware, for accountancy purposes, devalues by 100% in a year. If you think that you could buy that box for $9K and then sell it for $8K 3 months later then I think you're mistaken.

The kit in question is sold as a _gaming_ box not as a number cruncher, thus applying generalisations is fine, why are you being such an ass when it's a simple 'would you buy' question?

[Tynk]

check out http://www.biohazard-computers.com/ and take a look at the nuclear winter machines.

Quoted from the site "the phase-change cooling system keeps CPU operating temperatures at -20°C to -30°C"

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Regardless of wether it's a good price or not that box will devalue about 50% in the first three months - so you're blowing about $4K to get a top spec box for up to 3 months.

You'd have to be pretty rich and pretty dumb to go for that

Please share us your infinite wisdom, oh wise one.

If it takes me 140 hours to compile a terrain database on a Q6600/8GB machine, and it only takes me 48 hours on an i7 965/12GB machine

Hold your generalizations for the kiddies who think the world revolves around gaming.

For your own argument without regard to non-gaming use, the price of this box won't devalue by more than 10-15% in the next 3 months since i7 965, 12GB memory, etc will STILL be the best available. A couple new videocards will be out soon, but that's a minor difference in price when you're talking about the overall cost of a high performance system.

I did make a generalization yes, but you were an ass about it, this is an internet forum, not the source of all knowledge. Just because you have a highly specialised field where processing power makes a serious difference doesn't mean that everyone else does.

IIRC all computer hardware, for accountancy purposes, devalues by 100% in a year. If you think that you could buy that box for $9K and then sell it for $8K 3 months later then I think you're mistaken.

The kit in question is sold as a _gaming_ box not as a number cruncher, thus applying generalisations is fine, why are you being such an ass when it's a simple 'would you buy' question?

LOL, for accountability purposes, the number for 90% devaluation is more along the lines of 3 years. For the company of a project I'm working on, they're all still using 4-year old dual Xeon machines because their value hasn't decreased enough to purchase new machines for everyone. There are plenty of casual users where processing power makes a huge difference - just look at the numbers for the i7 in video encoding. As for gaming, have you seen the number differences for Tri-SLI GTX 280's in an i7 965EE compared to a QX9770? They're huge:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i...mance-review/1

And like a car, no.. you won't sell a USED $9k computer for $8k 3 months later, but that's not the valid comparison. We're talking new prices. If you were to buy a $9k computer today, it'll still cost you over $8k to buy those EXACT components 3 months from now because nothing newer will be coming out that soon and prices don't decline that quickly without newer products rolling out. The GTX 295 will still be the top GPU, and the i7 965EE will still be the top CPU. 12GB DDR3 will likely still be the most memory (4GB sticks aren't out for the masses yet), and 300GB Vraptors will likely still be the fastest mainstream hard drives. As for devaluation, 100% in a year is impossible. Tell me there is no one who needs a fast computer who wouldn't pay a couple grand for this machine a year from now. It'll still be faster than most machines available, even with the new releases over this coming year. This is why people still buy the Q6600.. it still has value after a couple years, just as the i7 will.

You're trying to state that if I buy a $50k car today, I can't sell it for $45k in 3 months, which is true. However, that's not a valid point since in 3 months the price of that car will still be $50k new - there are no newer models coming out.

And yes, I'll be an ass when someone makes asanine comments:
"You'd have to be pretty rich and pretty dumb to go for that"
For some people (obviously not you), $9k in disposable income is the equivalent of a college kid working part-time spending $30 on a new Blu-Ray movie. Calling people dumb for spending $9k on something they will use is simply being both ignorant and an ass.

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check out http://www.biohazard-computers.com/ and take a look at the nuclear winter machines.

Quoted from the site "the phase-change cooling system keeps CPU operating temperatures at -20°C to -30°C"

Yep, phase cooling is about as good as it gets without needing to refill nitrogen tanks. A few years ago I had an Asetek Vapochill unit that kept the CPU (P4 Northwood) at around -40*C, but constant 100% humidity in Florida made it a pain in the ass to keep condensation from forming all over my motherboard. I had to cake nearly the entire motherboard with Vasoline and keep WARM air blown on it just to prevent condensation. I'm sure it'd be a great way to cool a CPU in Arizona or Nevada, but you have to deal with insulation and condensation too much in humid states to worry about shorting out components.

I'll stick to water cooling from now on.. since you're always at least 1-2*C above ambient, you don't have to worry about condesation since you'll never go under the dew point indoors.