DKs are the new 4x Shamans IMO

[Dominian]

LOL @ people making entire group compisition changes before the very first balancing patch has been made post-expansion.

Seriously, if you think the "current balance" is going to remain for long you'd have to be mental, there hasn't even been a single patch yet, and I guarantee the next 2-3 will be full of balancing changes.

The incomming changes to Death Knights will be balanced with overall improvments so i hardly see them any weaker next patch.

We could get a 100% dps increase on lava burst and lightning bolt and Dk's wouldnt go down much faster.

A well geared DK can keep on forever against me in certains specs (blood i assume)

Anti magic zone,anti magic shield and bone shield.

I cant even IMAGINE singel boxing my warlock atm when all bgs is filled with dks,ret paladins and rogues.

[SideWays]

Yeah boxing dks owns atm.. I killed a shaman(67), warlock(66), pala(71), dk(60) and a warrior(64) with my 4 lvl 61 dks.. i lol'd..
My ghoul army owned them so fast

btw: how do u cast DnD on ur toons? oO

[blast3r]

LOL @ people making entire group compisition changes before the very first balancing patch has been made post-expansion.

Seriously, if you think the "current balance" is going to remain for long you'd have to be mental, there hasn't even been a single patch yet, and I guarantee the next 2-3 will be full of balancing changes.

The incomming changes to Death Knights will be balanced with overall improvments so i hardly see them any weaker next patch.

We could get a 100% dps increase on lava burst and lightning bolt and Dk's wouldnt go down much faster.

A well geared DK can keep on forever against me in certains specs (blood i assume)

Anti magic zone,anti magic shield and bone shield.

I cant even IMAGINE singel boxing my warlock atm when all bgs is filled with dks,ret paladins and rogues.

Can't you thunderstorm DKs out of their magic shield? When I get death gripped by one first thing I hit is TS then flameshock/lava burst his ass.

[Kicksome]

Can't you thunderstorm DKs out of their magic shield? When I get death gripped by one first thing I hit is TS then flameshock/lava burst his ass.

Yes, you can TS them out of the shield, but they'll only take about 300 damage from the TS since you hit them in their shield. The biggest problem is that the Shamans need to move since they are probably standing in DnD and tons of other AOEs. So you can TS them out, then you need to move to get out of the AOE. By that time, the DK are back on top of you, if they haven't death gripped at least one of your guys.

[Dominian]

Can't you thunderstorm DKs out of their magic shield? When I get death gripped by one first thing I hit is TS then flameshock/lava burst his ass.

Yes, you can TS them out of the shield, but they'll only take about 300 damage from the TS since you hit them in their shield. The biggest problem is that the Shamans need to move since they are probably standing in DnD and tons of other AOEs. So you can TS them out, then you need to move to get out of the AOE. By that time, the DK are back on top of you, if they haven't death gripped at least one of your guys.

This is the case and running is hard vs DK's!

[FIra]

I am a 5man boxer of deathknights. I have 5 level 80's atm. Their horribly geared and don't survive in arena. However as of this patch, they are awesome in world pvp and battlegrounds such as AV. The only problems I have are with paladins and other Deathknights. I'm unholy specced so I get all the damage buffs such as bone shield, IBF and AMZ/AMS. They are what keep me alive. Bone shield is super amazing.

The problem lies in this next patch. When you go from 40% damage mitigation to 20%, then 50% from IBF down to 20%, you will feel the hurt. A problem we face already as full unholy is the lack of a 3rd disease amongst the other 4 deathknights. I haven't tried multispeccing my DK but if anyone has let me know how it's going. I recently respecced my DK into blood just to watch my army of the dead x5 and then x2 again with dancing weapon. I tried some PVP with it and I realized I die super fast. After patch will it be worth it to stay frost presence for the extra armor, damage mitigation? As of now we can switch to blood presence and still have our crazy mitigations. They did talk about buffing AMZ to compensate, but how much will be enough? Another 2,000?

Like I said my gear is horrible my money is shot and what I am doing now is grinding honor for the pvp gear that hopefully will make a difference. I'm still using my quest blue deraged waraxe x5.

I would like to try full frost next patch just for the hungering cold x 5, or mix it up for some HC and AMZ. Lots of shitty bugs having multi-dk atm to really make it worth having multi-dk. You could prob. be better off switching some DK out with some paladins.

For instance if you Pestilence icy touch and have the chillblains talent, it will not give chillblains to other targets. Descecration only applys to the DK that procced it making you spec it 5 times to get all DK to have the effect, and its only 5%. Only aura's that stack are blood in frost presence, and it's still not alot of healing. Next patch increases to 2/4% but the bug could be fixed. Usually Bugs that benefit get fixed first before bugs that hurt us.

[suprafro]

Interesting, on paper it seemed like the self healing potential of DKs was unreal and benefited nicely from stacking. Even with only 1 4% blood aura, with 5x UB and 5x DnD down thats what.. like 500-1000 dps per target per DK in the area of effect or (20-40 *5 = 100-200 hps * num targets in AOE). Not insane vs 1 target but 1:1 scaling is just crazy , especially in large Wintergrasp/AV battles....and thats not even considering any other damage outside of the passive AOEs. Also rune tap + improved rune tap + vampirism + rune tap glyph seems like a pro team heal ability as well, when your geared out and sitting at 25k hp thats an instant ~4k * 5 team heals to play with every 30 seconds, seems like you could fit that into a decent unholy build but points are certainly tight. What are your thoughts of this talent?

About the class mix, I was considering 1 ret + 4dk but 5 dks just seemed better... I could certainly be wrong here ofcourse as your level 80 and im 57 , just wondering what your reasoning on wanting the pally is. I do have shaman at 80 was thinking that 1 resto shaman + 4dks would be nice for the totems and heals but again I dont have much DK experience atm

[Kicksome]

...Their horribly geared and don't survive in arena.

Do you have a healer in arena with you?

[Spynx]

Doesn't the Death and Decay proc have diminishing returns? I heard it was 2 seconds > 1 seconds > .5 > immune.

I'm normally the healer in the 'Tilce' team with my pally, but i also have a 2v2 team with a DK from our guild.

We often duel eachother after an arena match if something happened that we weren't expecting or we wanted to double check how well some abilities work etc (since DK's are still a bit of an unknown enitity)

We tested this exact thing because we were both wondering exactly how it worked. So i stood there while he put a death and decay under me, and for me at least, i was 'feared' for around a second or two only once, and then was immune until he put another death and decay up.

The same thing then happened where i was 'feared' for around a second and then immune.

I don't know a thing about DK's yet, so i don't know if you talent this to get a longer effect or w/e. But as far as i can say it looks more like it's useful as an interupt to spell casters, or a nice way to stop someone running away from you. Basically like a 1-2 second stun. And i was definately immune after the first one.

[Ellay]

The reason you go immune so fast is that it's proc rate is so high, it has a chance to proc about 5-7 times per seconds instead of attempting to apply during damage. Which is the main problem that needs to be fixed