What are shaman groups seeing for DPS in heroics?

[Hachoo]

Oh I'm still all about the shaman class, I love them (for multiboxing - solo play its the worst/most boring class IMO). No plans to get rid of them no matter what the DPS is. I'm just curious what things I could do to make my DPS higher - obviously refreshing FS or adding it to my castrandom rotation is probably good. Might take CL out of my castrandom just to increase my mana efficiency as well.

Also when I logged out last I bought my 4 shaman that epic badge totem that increases haste sometimes when using LB - I think that will increase my DPS quite a bit since LB is like 65% of my damage right now.

[Catamer]

I believe phein has almost 5% more haste than xenoca.
xenoca has 9.67% cast increase while phein has a whopping 14.39% spell cast increase.

we both have relatively the same amount of crit and spell dmg, talents fairly similar but not exactly the same so I can only assume it's the haste that's killing my DPS numbers.

[Niley]

I believe phein has almost 5% more haste than xenoca.
xenoca has 9.67% cast increase while phein has a whopping 14.39% spell cast increase.

we both have relatively the same amount of crit and spell dmg, talents fairly similar but not exactly the same so I can only assume it's the haste that's killing my DPS numbers.

well, since our highest damaging spell already has 100% crit, and usually fire is about 25-40% of our rotation, crit is a bit behind, defiantly not the stat that You would want to gear for. Basically, right now, it goes like this

Hit
Spell Power
Haste
Crit
Other stats

Never gem or enchant for crit,mp5 or int. Its useless for shamans(well not uselless per se, but not even close to be as good to other stats as elemental).

[Niley]

I believe phein has almost 5% more haste than xenoca.
xenoca has 9.67% cast increase while phein has a whopping 14.39% spell cast increase.

we both have relatively the same amount of crit and spell dmg, talents fairly similar but not exactly the same so I can only assume it's the haste that's killing my DPS numbers.

well, since our highest damaging spell already has 100% crit, and usually tfire is about 25-40% of our rotation, crit is a bit behind, defiantly not the stat that You would want to gear for. Basically, right now, it goes like this

Hit
Spell Power
Haste
Crit
Other stats

Never gem or enchant for crit,mp5 or int. Its useless for shamans(well not uselless per se, but not even close to be as good to other stats as elemental).

What glyphs are you using?

elemental shamans:
Glyph of lava
Glyph of flame shock
Glyph of Flametongue weapon(will be replaced by lighting bolt glyph, once 3.0.8 comes around)

Resto shaman:
Glyph of Chain Heal
Glyph of Water Mastery
Glyph of Lesser Healing Wave

[emesis]

Also when I logged out last I bought my 4 shaman that epic badge totem that increases haste sometimes when using LB - I think that will increase my DPS quite a bit since LB is like 65% of my damage right now.

Actually, bad news there.

Totem of the Elemental Plane appears to have a proc per minute internal limiter (approx once per 45 seconds), which actually makes it WORSE for DPS than the Level 70 badge reward equivalent Skycall Totem. The Skycall totem does not have a limiter and I confirmed on my Shammies this morning that it's proc stays up well over half the time for me. The Skycall is 100 haste but can be expected to be up 50 to nearly 100% of the time (based on your underlying haste) for an average of 50-100 haste. Totem of the Elemental Plane has a 196 haste proc effect. If the Totem of the Elemental Plane can only proc once per 45 seconds, but proces immediately, and lasts for 10 seconds, thats (10/45) * 196 = 44 haste (with no further scaling as your haste goes up).

This is just an awful totem if the ppm limit stuff is true and a horrible shaft by Blizz. For multiboxers not likely to go to 25 man Naxx, there are few options. I went ahead and farmed the Skycall Totem last night on my team as it looks to be the best easily available upgrade for my team (over my Totem of the Void).

See the comments on Wowhead: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40708

[Hachoo]

I didn't have the 70 badge item anyway, I just had the lavaburst totem from venture bay which wasn't that great so I think this lightning totem is still better than that one, and was only 15 badges anyway. For boss fights I think it will be more dps.

[emesis]

This is just an awful totem if the ppm limit stuff is true and a horrible shaft by Blizz. For multiboxers not likely to go to 25 man Naxx, there are few options. I went ahead and farmed the Skycall Totem last night on my team as it looks to be the best easily available upgrade for my team (over my Totem of the Void).

If this is true - it will be addressed.

Blizzard has gone to great lengths in the past to make sure max level players don't have to go back to 10+ levels ago to get "required" gear.

Example A: Hand of Justice trinket. Originally a flat 2% chance to get an extra swing on attack. _every_ warrior and rogue had this trinket. Later change to "chance on hit" to proc, which meant 2% at 60, 0.5% at 70.

I agree that it may be addressed at some point. However, as you basically point out, it may very well be handled by NERFING the Skycall Totem by placing a PPM limit on the older totem, rather than removing the PPM limit on the level 80 version. At that point, it would be better to have Totem of the Elemental Plane rather than Skycall.

Totem of Hex is still better than either, but I'm not likely to see the inside of 25 man Naxx.

[puppychow]

You should xfer servers if you can't find a naxx pug -- my pally is almost in full 25 man naxx epics from naxx pugs, and all my shamans have been in at least 2 of the wings (my resto has cleared it twice now). There are 4-5 naxx25 pugs nightly on Blackrock. There are even now a few Eye of Eternity pugs going on, both 10 and 25 man. My pally did a 1-drake Obsidium Sanctum pug kill yesterday, was crazy!

Also Niley is doing DPS on all his shamans and his DK when counting those damage meters I believe, which means he gets a ton of elemental oath procs and trinket procs (I have the badge and OS25 trinket, they can proc like crazy). I think the people who are posting about the 1500dps (like me) are just measuring a single shaman with no trinkets (or none with procs) and just totem of wrath (and maybe manaspring) down.

[Meeo]

Ill hopefully have some screenshots of my dmg tests with my shamans tonight after the raid, but i have been using a castrandom with Lvb/FS/LB/CL due to my haste/hit numbers i use this macro more effectively, i've tried dropping out Chain Lightning to loose some dps, so i decided to keep it in, based.

Niley: can you do a Test on the 83 boss dummy? if possible, the 80 test dummy is weaker, so its like going after trash, i just want to compare your numbers to my number to see how there scaling, as you have much more hit and haste then my guys but haste seems to be playing a bit more especially using a cast random since you are casting more often then not.

[Niley]

Ill hopefully have some screenshots of my dmg tests with my shamans tonight after the raid, but i have been using a castrandom with Lvb/FS/LB/CL due to my haste/hit numbers i use this macro more effectively, i've tried dropping out Chain Lightning to loose some dps, so i decided to keep it in, based.

Niley: can you do a Test on the 83 boss dummy? if possible, the 80 test dummy is weaker, so its like going after trash, i just want to compare your numbers to my number to see how there scaling, as you have much more hit and haste then my guys but haste seems to be playing a bit more especially using a cast random since you are casting more often then not.

Forgot about this topic :P
why test on boss dummy? that requires 262 hit with sp or moonkin, that's for raiding toons to test, all I need to hit lvl 82 heroic boss is 3% hit, and that's what i gear my shamans for, if I'm missing 10% hit(3% talents, 1% aura and 3% from gear), my dps will obviously be very gimped. Level 80 dummy will represent Your usual boss, its not weaker, it just requires less spell hit.