Elemental Shaman PVP LOL

[pinotnoir]

I knew we sucked. OMG I did some solo bg's tonight and I feel like a red headed step child. Can I die any faster please? Also, can I die any faster while being stunned? Or can I die any faster while your bubble is up? Class balance is so far out of wack I dont think blizzard can fix it. The best I could hope to do is knock back people, slow them, or try healing my team before I get wtf owned in 2 seconds. I know someone will come here and say well if you used the cow warstop with the nova totem and then hexed them and used flameshock lavaburst (insert some other random babble), you could have won. Every 1v1 fight I was in ended the same way.. Me not being able to cast or move. Rogues was a constant stun lock and blind if I could get out of 1 stun. Pallies were stun wtf owned dead. Mages were OMG my health is going down counterspell /wave die. I can go on with other classes as well. Thats the 3 most annoying of the group.

This is alot of qq but I think anyone who is rolling a shaman group should know how terrible the class is. You would be better off rolling a class that can do something. I am really close to the point of this is no fun anymore and why pay $15x5 to play a game so shitty. Wintersgrasp is nothing but lag fest. You cannot even fight people due to server lag. Arena is screwed to high heaven. Sota favors alliance bad and sucks to box. The other bg's are so old they should have dust on the battlemasters. I can see people are starting to get that leet attitude on the server now they have purple gear. I am seeing LFM post asking for 2k+ dps people just to do Vault! Vault!!! Where you have to average 1100 dps to beat it. Our class is fubar on dps right now. I have even been kicked from a vault raid because 1700 dps was not enough. I also saw a mage do 4400 dps which is double what I can do. I know I am not in naxx gear but 2 times the dps? My lvl 70 mage can do nearly the dps I can do at 80 as a shaman. Yeah buffs are around the corner... OH 10% more damage. Big fucking deal! When 70 mages can almost out dps 80 shaman whats 10% going to do?

Ok I am done venting. It just pisses me off to see this game go to shit. I have other toons and even the classes that are over powered right now. It doesnt make me want to play them. Its nice to be able to do 5mans solo and kill elite mobs with my group. PVP was fun but now its painful. Well, back to farming some more honor so I can play my broken free kill class.

[BIGBADPRIME]

take hearth they are probably going to do the same thing where we will get buffed a whole lot and have all these other classes crying. It seems that did that to shammies in the BC


It is too bad that your guild can't see the utility that can be brought to a raid, totem totems totems (poison and disease cleanse totems) You should be starting up raid yourself.


The irony is after that ret buff and then nerf it made me pissed off and really want to make a chang

[Multibocks]

I pretty much agree, that is why I never play my shamans solo. At least with a full group I know I can at least kill ONE person before my shaman start dropping. Oh well. Maybe it's time to level up my rogue and take him along to all the heroics and raids to get him pimped out if I want to solo.

P.S. Wintergrasp has never been a lagfest for me.... maybe your server is just overloaded.

[pinotnoir]

I pretty much agree, that is why I never play my shamans solo. At least with a full group I know I can at least kill ONE person before my shaman start dropping. Oh well. Maybe it's time to level up my rogue and take him along to all the heroics and raids to get him pimped out if I want to solo.

P.S. Wintergrasp has never been a lagfest for me.... maybe your server is just overloaded.

It's a high pop server.. Once everyone starts fighting near the base it becomes winterslag. I am doing more solo pvp and I have to say elementals are the worst class I have ever seen in pvp. I have been playing wow since release and the amount of suckage is amazing. We are free kills. Whenever they see me I am swarmed because I just get stunned and die within seconds. Blizzard screwed this game to hell and back. Its terrible! I may roll 4 dk's and see if thats worth playing. What makes me laugh is all the dk's, rogues, mages, and pallies making post in the pvp forums saying how everyone needs to learn to play. I guess there is some magical way to avoid dieing while stunned in seconds or getting bursted down so fast you can even complete a heal. These guys can make a cast sequence and face roll the keyboard to kill everyone.

[reman]

Without decent gear, I think it doesn't matter what class you play. Gonna get rolled over for sure as burst are too high. I am feeling the same way as you. But I wouldn't declare Shamans are dead until Ellay says so. After all we spend way too much time and effort to call it quits this early in the game

[merujo]

in all honesty: i dont think elemental shamans are as bad as u call it. just because u get owned sometimes, it doesnt mean the class, and multiboxing is broken. Second thread on the subject, several posts, Pinot, i think its better for ur health to give wow a break

[magwo]

Gem and enchant for a lot of stamina and resilience, especially on your main toon. I don't have a problem with damage output.. I have a problem with dying too fast for my potential healer to react. Also.. I've found that it's nice to have a few skilled friends go with you into BGs.. yesterday I played EOTS with a priest + mage.. and it was great.. we went 15-1 or so.. didn't die much. If you move around with your healer you will get to practice your combat skills with all the new spells a lot. Don't be afraid to hit big packs of enemies.. when you face ~10 enemies in a BG it's similar to facing 5 enemies in arena, so it's good practice.

[pinotnoir]

I have not gave up yet for boxing. However, solo elemental shaman are free kills. At least boxing I can kill a few as while they insta kill 1 of the 5. I have 3 hateful non set epics so far. Once they release the gear from wintersgrasp marks I will have the helm and boots. Next week I should have either the chest or legs savage gear. I cant decide what to buy. I am thinking legs. So far I have no luck in vault. I have run that around 30+ times and saw elemental shaman gear 2 times. That goes for heroic and normal runs. I purchased the res+stam gem and the spell+res gem. I plan on using those in all sockets.

I urge you guys to take one of your shamans to the bgs and see how it works. Mages (Most are arcane) - sheep or just open up big pom attack, drop a grounding they icelance to remove it, then you are counterspelled and they finish you off. Rogues - Stun + Die. If you trinket out of stun they blind and can vanish if they want. Pallies - hammer + die, or hammer + other stun + die. If more people are around you its Bubble + hammer + die. Thats just 3 classes. If you fight any of these three 1v1 you cannot even put up a fight. All you can do is wait to die. Everything you can do is countered. I understand some classes have a rock paper relationship but when you cannot flee, heal, or damage them at all, there is a problem.

My goal is at least get my team a mix of blue and epic lvl 80 pvp gear. Once I gear all the spots and dont see any improvement..... I quit the game or shelf the shamans and play my other flavor of the month classes. That will be a sad day for me. This is the second time I am going through this. The first was my 70 feral druid. Feral druids in bc pvp were worthless. I loved my druid but seeing how gimp he was just made me very sad. I eventually stopped playing him because there was no point. Now its happening again with shamans.

[Ba�a]

I urge you guys to take one of your shamans to the bgs and see how it works. Mages (Most are arcane) - sheep or just open up big pom attack, drop a grounding they icelance to remove it, then you are counterspelled and they finish you off. Rogues - Stun + Die. If you trinket out of stun they blind and can vanish if they want. Pallies - hammer + die, or hammer + other stun + die. If more people are around you its Bubble + hammer + die. Thats just 3 classes. If you fight any of these three 1v1 you cannot even put up a fight. All you can do is wait to die. Everything you can do is countered. I understand some classes have a rock paper relationship but when you cannot flee, heal, or damage them at all, there is a problem.

You can now imagine how happy I am to play with a [s]priest[/s] spirit on BG's and arenas...

[merujo]

Pinot, heres what i think: blizzard didnt gave a f*** for PvP balance before the x-pack release. Things were tuned for PvE content, and u can clearly see that on DK's habilities, a class that relies on dmg supression, such as anti magic shield, and bone shield, designed for PvE tanking. Now they use them in PvP ofc, and the result is unbalance.
Retri paladin were a joke for years. My main was a paladin, 170 days played on him and 80% i was a healer. Now they output more burst dmg then ever, and theres millions of paladins walking around.
Mages are Blizzard's favorite class. I mean, mages get everything they want, u just have to request it, so its not a shock that they pom pyro for 20k atm.
What about rogues? not only they can take 80% of my health with 2 backstabs, now, they can even aoe.

this has all to do with custumer happiness. most ppl, myself included, has a mage, a rogue or a paladin alt. DK is the new attraction, so thats one more reason for them to be...OP.
so why not release a x-pack that suites +50% of the playerbase?

I have a stong belief that PvP will get balanced. Problem with wow is that PvE always get served first, so u gotta live with it.

Anyways, i've been running AV with my 5, and i really cant comlpain that much, im still having fun.
Things are getting nerfed already in this next patch. And in some time, either we get buffed, or more nerfs will be applied.