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    Trying my best on the DK:P Hmm just noticed that armory doesnt count talents towards hp, or maybe the frost aura, my Dk sits at almost 28k hp, not 24 :/

    The damage is good, i know spec is weird, but i did hit almost 4500 with regular spec, so I'm hoping to be able to do at least 4700 with my current gear when the patch comes. I really really hate the range and lack of ToW in my current spec.
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    I'm now fully T7 geared (10 man) and at most I can pull 3200/3300 dps in the right 25 man set up. I'm usually doing around 3k, and I'm not doing anything wrong. :P

    Add a few buffs, flask and food buffs, I think I could at max reach 3500/3600 in the -absolute perfect- situation.

    Note: This is single target boss dps. Not taking into account AoE trash and chain lightnings. I have had spikes of over 6k dps if that counts too :P

    Find it a bit hard to believe you can pull out 4500 with a regular elemental spec. O_o If so, what's your secret.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Kaynin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=161919#post1 61919
    I'm now fully T7 geared (10 man) and at most I can pull 3200/3300 dps in the right 25 man set up. I'm usually doing around 3k, and I'm not doing anything wrong. :P

    Add a few buffs, flask and food buffs, I think I could at max reach 3500/3600 in the -absolute perfect- situation.

    Note: This is single target boss dps. Not taking into account AoE trash and chain lightnings. I have had spikes of over 6k dps if that counts too :P

    Find it a bit hard to believe you can pull out 4500 with a regular elemental spec. O_o If so, what's your secret.
    I was doing 4k dps on my first patchwerk, in full sunwell gear o.O, i did 4489 as regular deep elemental, before i got few upgrades, Im sure i could do more now. Im not even sure how i pulled that 5200 lol, but i do use stop casting macros, as Ive been using them for few years now Im very used to them, Its all in having perfect rotation, knowing when to throw that cl in so You have time to cast fs before lvb timer is up, using Your trinkets and em at the right time, and using haste pot when the time is right.

    Im strictly talking patchwerk dps, as there is no dps gimmicks, and You just stand there and pewpew. Every week that Ive done him Ive gone up, 3994 dps was my first time, i had all sunwell gear, zero wrath upgrades.
    I can assure you that this hybrid spec doesn't add 2000 dps, its more in the line fo 500 maybe 600ish.
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    Well, I did find out it is bad to use cast sequences so I do everything the old fashioned way, it got a bit of a feel for me when to use cl or when to use lb, not to waste lvb cd. But damn, at most I might loose 200-300 dps in a 3 minute fight by missing the cd by a fraction every now and then. (most of the time I'm right on it. :P )

    Stopcasting might improve it for me a bit tho. Still, kudo's to your dps then, no way I think I can reach it. :P

    Still, 3k+ dps seems plenty (luckily) for any encounter so I'm not too shook up about my dps. But it's nice to know how to improve. :P
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    Just curious but why would you ever chain lightning on patchwerk? Isn't sticking to a strick flame shock (every 18 seconds), LvB (every cooldown), and LB (when LvB not on cd) the best? And is the haste potion affected by the 1-potion-per-fight rule, I assume you pop that during bloodlust (and a trinket)?

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    cl is faster cast time so you can LvB quicker again.

    Mana in a 25 raid shouldnt be an option ever, it's not even an option for me in 10 man really. I wont get through my mana on patch as its such a short fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 'puppychow',index.php?page=Thread&postID=161929#po st161929
    Just curious but why would you ever chain lightning on patchwerk? Isn't sticking to a strick flame shock (every 18 seconds), LvB (every cooldown), and LB (when LvB not on cd) the best? And is the haste potion affected by the 1-potion-per-fight rule, I assume you pop that during bloodlust (and a trinket)?
    Cl to close down the rotation, so i don't have to wait for lvb or use lvb one sec after it became of cd, this is due to server lag and whatnot. LvB is make or break basically, its the god of Your rotation. You have to feel out what You need it the rotation that You're currently doing, I will have Lvb flying towards the boss within +/- 0.5s, usually my rotation with my current haste will look like this,
    FS, LvB, CL, LB->LvB, CL(or not depending on timings), LB->FS = rinse and repeat, time Your totems right, and other things that take gcd, never use them before lvb is up, always right after lvb/cl, that will let You judge much better how much time you have left and what You can cast before next lvb.
    Use heroism right before FS, so You have that running for most of it.
    Haste pot during bloodlust? that a loss of dps, my cast time would be 0.8s. I wait for my trinket to go off then use it, asap.
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    You shouldnt need stopcasting macros anymore as server queues your next cast server side. I'm almost positive that stopcasting will do nothing for dps.

    As for elemental shaman pvp... well as long as its not a geared-to-the-teeth DK Im facing I can usually face roll anyone 5v1. This is how it should be though =( If more than 2 show up (and a healer) if I dont get off LvB then I'm pretty much dead. I hate it when they kill my shamans and laugh at my paladin hitting for 800 a swing. I have to say that I am now valuing haste waaaaaay above crit for gear. Getting off spell casts is key in pvp and crit don't mean shit if you can't even get one cast off. One of my shaman is approaching 20% haste before totems/BL. I have seen armories of shaman with 30% haste just on equip, thats PERMANENT bloodlust!!!!

    One other point: I know everyone hates the amount of burst available now, but consider this: Did you really like arena drain teams? Seriously 20 minute matches are STUPID. I would rather a match last 2 mins than do the back-and-forth with lots of pillar humping pvp for 20mins.

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    Multibox pvp will never be the same. Blizz was/is determined to not allow healing to be as important in pvp as it was. They wanted pure dps classes to be able to burn down hybrids. Mission accomplished. Although I think they will definitely lower pvp dps, it will never get to where it was before. That is a major multibox nerf as it is now much easier to take out the lead toon.
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    and this is why you need a leaderless setup, although by the time I switch mouse to my new leader someone else has died =(

    yeah yeah I should use PiP =P

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