Rebuilding computers for the 3rd time in 8 months ... lol.

[Oswyn]

If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

[oMek]

im not sure where you are getting those numbers sam but AMD cpus are garbage atm, they are good for the simple internet user ect.. but they suck for games, nevermind 5x boxin on one computer. infact 99% of the review sites dont even add AMD cpus to the test vs intel anymore because they just get killed so bad.

and im not being a fanboy, i have a ati/amd video card and i love it. but they just arnt upto par with intel atm. buy yourself some cheap used q9550s and some low end p45 boards and overclock them to 3.5-4ghz each. they dont have the ondie memory controler like amd does but they still should put up even numbers in that area.

if you really really want a ondie memory control and a smokein fast chip get some i7920s and OC them to 4ghz. should last you a few years. or atleast till all 26 of your toons are 80 :P

[Sam DeathWalker]

I get the figures from here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...-Read,808.html

Tomshardware and

http://www.anandtech.com/

Are ususally fairly reliable I thihnk.

[Shaitan256]

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...x1050,819.html

here is Intel a lot of better, my 5400+ BE is in your 6th or 8th or something here is it less, I guess this everest , what ever it is, maybe I'm just too tired now isn't maybe it isn't concipated (om... I hope this word exists and is what I meant to say) for More than 2 Cores and the I7 is just so damn powerfull that it rocks either it's made for more than 2 Cores or not.

Ok my does still get 80 fps but I guess for Power Intel kicks ass, Even if I always was a AMD fanboy, AMD was gaming CPU years ago but I guess they have to redesign their concept. (for Multiboxing purpose intel is ruling)

I don't know now what to do, get a Quadcore Intel (Q6600 or better) or get a X4 AMD Phenom, because I bought a Board that's AM2+able only because I thought AMD would make it, but for Multi boxing there's nothing that goes beyond Intels Quad (except i7 of course^^)

Guess that was totally crap, do what you want with this post ^^

It's not that I do not trust Tom's hardware, it's the opposite, but you can't just get your opinion on buying things if you just look in one corner of a room.

Btw I love what you're doing , If I had the money I would do it too *^^*

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya thats the FPS charts and you would think that is the chart we should use. Because of that chart I put a 9550 on my main computer and moved the 6400 to my 2nd best computer.

I can say for 100 percent sure, my 6400 computer closes out FIVE instances of WoW way faster then my 9550 closes ONE instance. If you look at the FPS charts the 9550 is superior, BUT if you look at the memory bandwidth charts the 6400 is superior (and it measures superior on Sandra on my computers).

I have concluded that for multiboxing, and playing WOW (with a good video card) memory bandwidth speed is more important then number crunching speed. Given that the video calculation are done in the GPU the CPU dosnt really do a lot, it takes more time to get your textures and data from the ram to the processor and back to ram then it does to calculte that data when it gets there.

Might be true for Intel might not, I don't know.

Ya Intel I7 is no doubt superior and you will not go wrong with that choice.

But if you planing on 6 computers and need bang for the buck then AMD 6400 is the way to go.

I mean look at this chart the cheap lowly 4600 is FASTER at memory bandwidth then the top of the line 9950!:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...-Read,808.html

Why? because the 9950 has a clock speed of 2.6G:

Frequency: AMD Phenom Processor Model X4 9950, 9350e, 9150e / 2.6GHz, 2.0GHz, 1.8GHz

And the 6400 has a clock speed of 3.2G!

[Shaitan256]

Now I see what this is ^^

So Quadcores do not really have a great advantage against 2Cores? if the 2 Cores have a enough GHz? hope I didn't mixed anything up^^

That means I do not have to upgrade my CPU in the next time 5400+ (black edition) @ 3,2 Ghz. But I can't imagine that 4 x 1,8 -2,6 is slower than 2 x 3,2.

Thx for that, know I'm a bit cleverer^^

[Sam DeathWalker]

This is just for memory bandwidth, not for actual computation after the data actually gets to the cores. 4 cores do more calculations and are faster then 2, BUT for our purposes moveing data around is more important as the GPU's are doing most of the work and the CPU's dont really have to do much number crunching. So for multiboxing higher clock rate is better, imho. In fact there is no doubt about it, like I say the computer which has the 6400 closes out FIVE instances of WoW before the 9550 computer closes out ONE instance.

[Tonuss]

AMD quads are priced pretty low these days. While I consider the Intel stuff to be better, if you are not buying the cutting edge I don't think it's that big an issue. And the price for an AMD quad + motherboard can be pretty good. I've run 4 x WoW on a 2.4GHz Core2Quad + 2GB memory with no problems (Radeon 4870, 800 x 600 and all details turned down). A 2.4-2.6GHz Phenom with a Radeon 4850 should do the job for 5 x WoW, shouldn't it?

As for Sam, this happens at pretty much every forum he goes to, so I just sort of tune out the extraneous stuff. If he is not going to listen to advice, well that is going to harm him or help him, and have no real effect on me. Prepared has his team at level 72(?) already. Sam is at 24-26. Whether or not he is king of the interwebz won't change that. Listening to good advice could change that, but you can only drag a Deathwalker to water, etc etc.