Sigh...Heroics are owning me...

[Gares]

Garea - I think you should upgrade your gear a bit, your WoW Power Score is a bit low

Comparing Gareatank (Azjol-Nerub) with 480 Protection Paladins (all realms), level 80 to 80

Gareatank's Wow Power Score = 29.8 %

Data loaded on: 2008-12-21 16:39:10 (pasted XML - not from Armory)

Last played on: 12/21/2008

Jump: Key Stats Head Neck Shoulders Shirt Chest Waist Legs Feet Wrist Hands Ring1 Ring2 Trinket1 Trinket2 Back MainHand OffHand Ranged Top 10 Protection Paladins Non-Key Stats
Key Stats
Stat Average User Percentile Weight
ARMOR 21818 22273 48% x2
HEALTH 23242 20394 19% x2
DEFENSE 529 545 80% x1
STRENGTH 837 784 36% x1
BLOCK 13 11 33% x0.5
DODGE 19 18 34% x0.5
MELEEEXPERTISE 13 8 19% x0.5
PARRY 15 16 36% x0.5

http://www.wowpowerscore.com/LuaWeb....&R=Azjol-Nerub

I got no idea what you just said....

Just tried Gundrak again with 30 wipes so far tonight, all on Moorabi.

I pretty much have all the good quest + crafted items you can get outside of Heroics and Naxx.

[bziegler]

Your stats are kind of sub-par given your level (no offense). The 29% score means that 70% of protection paladins have better stats than you do. Meeo* has a score of 71%. So he's got better stats, most likely from better gear. Maybe its better enchants?

Your health is definitely low. The average protection paladin has 23.2k HP, you have 20.3.

Hope that made more sense.

* http://www.wowpowerscore.com/?m=Report&U=Meeo&R=Skywall

[Gares]

Your stats are kind of sub-par given your level (no offense). The 29% score means that 70% of protection paladins have better stats than you do. Meeo* has a score of 71%. So he's got better stats, most likely from better gear. Maybe its better enchants?

Your health is definitely low. The average protection paladin has 23.2k HP, you have 20.3.

Hope that made more sense.

* http://www.wowpowerscore.com/?m=Report&U=Meeo&R=Skywall

You probably fail to realize that Meeo also has a few pieces of HEROIC gear already and at least one Naxx piece..

I just Moorabi finally and I get one shotted by Eck when he goes Beserk at 20%.

[Meeo]

Your stats are kind of sub-par given your level (no offense). The 29% score means that 70% of protection paladins have better stats than you do. Meeo* has a score of 71%. So he's got better stats, most likely from better gear. Maybe its better enchants?

Your health is definitely low. The average protection paladin has 23.2k HP, you have 20.3.

Hope that made more sense.

* http://www.wowpowerscore.com/?m=Report&U=Meeo&R=Skywall

I know i myself have sub-stats to a degree, but also even with sub-par stats, you still can do some of these heroics.

Minor upgrades to gear, ie: by min/max'ing, enchant your gear even if it means going back to outlands enchants. Everything will help in the long run.

BTW: Powerscore that is a pimp site!

[Gares]

I get Eck to like 20k HP he goes beserk and kills me team in seconds....

Ready to go back to solo play.............

[Meeo]

I get Eck to like 20k HP he goes beserk and kills me team in seconds....

Ready to go back to solo play.............

Here are things to consider, solo play will assist you getting tank/main char you like better geared. I ran solo with my paladin for about a week or 2 with my guild so i can get better gear to come back and make it easier in heroics. Most of my gear on my guys are crafted/quested, i have had 1 good boe epic drop for my tank.

All my Shamans/Druids are in quest/1 badge peice/heroic gear, each only have 1 or 2 epics, but then again taking it slowly increasing gear, i ended last friday with my guys around 1100 dmg, now they are self buffing up to 1.7K now, thats with just minor time invested in grinding rep, and using whatever gear i can get my hands on.

I started doing Heroic UK first and farmed that for 3 or 4 days, then i started adding in Gundrak, even with my gear and my UI setup, i still have several deaths in Gundrak, but over time it has minimized from a wipe to 1 or 2 deaths. Just takes time, it will not come all at once. I found Gundrak way more complexe then UK, UI Interface and ?Keybind make a huge difference too. I wasnt able to do heroics til i adopted Fuzzy's post of ideas and it made my response and dmg output much more stable and controllable.

[Gares]

I get Eck to like 20k HP he goes beserk and kills me team in seconds....

Ready to go back to solo play.............

Here are things to consider, solo play will assist you getting tank/main char you like better geared. I ran solo with my paladin for about a week or 2 with my guild so i can get better gear to come back and make it easier in heroics. Most of my gear on my guys are crafted/quested, i have had 1 good boe epic drop for my tank.

All my Shamans/Druids are in quest/1 badge peice/heroic gear, each only have 1 or 2 epics, but then again taking it slowly increasing gear, i ended last friday with my guys around 1100 dmg, now they are self buffing up to 1.7K now, thats with just minor time invested in grinding rep, and using whatever gear i can get my hands on.

I started doing Heroic UK first and farmed that for 3 or 4 days, then i started adding in Gundrak, even with my gear and my UI setup, i still have several deaths in Gundrak, but over time it has minimized from a wipe to 1 or 2 deaths. Just takes time, it will not come all at once. I found Gundrak way more complexe then UK, UI Interface and ?Keybind make a huge difference too. I wasnt able to do heroics til i adopted Fuzzy's post of ideas and it made my response and dmg output much more stable and controllable.

which post was that?

I do have a few upgrades to does...IE + 50 spellpower to all my weapons, the two Rev LW pieces on 3 of my shammies still. But seriously it can't be that big of a deal getting say another 100 SP on my shammies. I'm still in the same boat as I was before when I increased my Spellpower 200+ with all the Titansteel Guardians.

[Meeo]

My macro/UI/keyboard setup (request - LONG)

Is the link from Fuzzy's Setup.

Also, even if you use the powerscore website, my tank is the only thing above 40%. both of my elemental shamans and boomkin sit around 37% and also my Resto shaman, the thing that keeps all my guys alive during these heroics is sitting at 22% per powerscore, even though powerscore and be very misleading sometimes, its information is very valuable in determining base target goals for stats and gear. With my current setup, similar to fuzzy's post, and the gear on all my guys i currently farm Heroics UK, Gundrak, and Drak'tharon. And i hope to be learning H Strat this week.

[Gares]

I looked at his post and although I use totally different buttons I pretty much have the exact same setup. Minor differences but the main things are there. I have my elemental shammies to almost 1500 self buffed before Totem of Wrath now.

I might try is cast sequence DPS macro out cause I had one and it was good, but I changed to /cast random, but I don't know if it really makes a difference. Guess I just gotta try it.

[Hachoo]

Cast sequence is shown to have a delay between casts - if you're using all 4 DPS as shamans its going to hurt you. I use a castrandom and it works perfect for me:

#showtooltip
/castrandom Lightning Bolt,Chain Lightning,Lava Burst,Purge

This works great and will only purge if theres something to actually purge (which if there is you almost always want it purged off anyway).

For bosses, I open with my tank then open my DPS with a special macro for just the start of the fight:

/castsequence Flame Shock,Lava Burst

Spam that until LvB casts and then just move to my castrandom. If I'm trying to conserve mana I have another key to just spam 4x LB over and over again.