What is with these obnoxious boss fights and HOW do you do it?!

[Hachoo]

You saying the split is fearable makes me wonder 2 things:

1) Does that mean the clones are hexable as well?

2) Are they still fearable (and/or hexable) on heroic - I'm thinking not but it would be nice to find out

[nomenquis]

You saying the split is fearable makes me wonder 2 things:

1) Does that mean the clones are hexable as well?

2) Are they still fearable (and/or hexable) on heroic - I'm thinking not but it would be nice to find out

Don't know about hexable / fearable per se, but they can be sheeped on heroic, I'd assume fear and hex work too.

kind regards

[Vyndree]

[quote='Hachoo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160137 #post160137]LOL I'm hardly the first person to post this. The first 2-3 guides posted here for the Nexus specifically mention this tactic. Also many other sites like thottbot, etc, list this as a tactic. I'm pretty sure blizzard isn't banning people for this :P Its just clever use of physics, its not like its exploiting an actual game bug for profit.[/quote]

Nobody got banned for utilizing the "safety corner" on Heigan. But an exploit, bannable or not, is still an exploit. The fight's primary mechanic is the dance across the room, and if you compensate for raid members' abilities (or lack thereof) to do the simple back and forth dance and utilize the "safety corner" exploit to get the Heigan achievement, it's not exactly something to be proud of.

It was nerfed, by the way, but here's some more clear exploits that didn't result (afaik) in bans:
Standing outside the room on Prince (fix: added closing doors)
Exploiting terrain: standing on a pillar to avoid/ignore infernals on Prince
Putting the whole raid on a platform for Mandokir to evade the raptor
Kiting the mammoth out so he resets in mammoth form and never "transforms" for [url='http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=2040']Less-rabi[/url] (fixed)

There's likely more, but I only hear so much so this is what I can recall off the top of my head. Suvega and I were in a ZG pug pre-BC that wanted to evade bug the raptor, and we actually left the raid.


An exploit doesn't have to be bannable for it to be an exploit. There's "creative use of game mechanics" and there's "avoiding game mechanics".

I think if you want to claim that you "killed a boss", you have to have defeated all of his mechanics. If Suvega and I had killed Prince with any of the above exploits, I wouldn't have considered that an achievement and, in fact, I'd have been ashamed that I had to use an exploit as my first kill. Instead, we toughed it out and did it the right way, experiencing all of Prince's game mechanics. We did it, and I can honestly be 100% proud of it.

I'm not saying you should feel guilty if you honestly feel it's not an exploit -- that's up to your judgement, but I'm just saying as a 3rd party, anything that causes you to avoid intended game mechanics runs a fine line between "creative game mechanics" and "exploit by avoiding game mechanics". And, like anything "gray area", I wouldn't recommend utilizing it until you're sure that it's OK.


EDIT: How the heck did this end up in my "new posts" list? Oh, well. I bumped a dusty thread. >.<

[Hachoo]

To me, standing outside Telestra's room with your ranged DPS is "creative use of game mechanics", not "avoiding game mechanics".

This is because even outside the room you get thrown up in the air, you can't cast anything except instant spells, etc. The only difference is you don't get throw around, just "up". It doesn't defy any sort of weird laws. You're being thrown into a wall over and over again, the same thing that would happen in real life if someone tried to "pull you" towards them and there was a wall in front of you. For multiboxers, it just makes things easier because we don't have to reposition afterwards.

Although now I'm pretty sure I could own telestra just using 4x healing stream totems, but this is certainly a good tactic for starters.

Edit: More than likely blizzard will change this in the future anyway, to make the invisible barrier block spells, not just movement, then you won't be able to stand behind it anyway.

[Hachoo]

Its not a wall. Its clear. Who knows what it is? A magical barrier that stops you from walking through it but doesn't stop spells? Who knows? I don't, you certainly can't either.

[Taliesin]

Its not a wall. Its clear. Who knows what it is? A magical barrier that stops you from walking through it but doesn't stop spells? Who knows? I don't, you certainly can't either.

Then go post your strategy on the customer support forums and seek official approval on avoiding the encounters most difficult mechanic. Until then, I'm calling it an exploit - because very similar encounters in the game were cheesed in similar ways, and were considered to be exploits in the past.

Just because you haven't been caught yet doesn't mean that its legit.

Whether it's considered an exploit or not by any of us, I think you have to agree that it's very unlikely Blizzard intended the walls to work like that. Besides her split at 50%, the gravity well is really her only trademark ability. They may not change it just because they don't really consider it worth the effort to spend developer time on, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if an upcoming patch mentions a change to the walls around her to block any attack from penetrating.

It is a fairly well known bug though, and posted in lots of strategy guides, so I'm sure Blizzard is aware. That said, I haven't heard anyone getting in trouble for doing it, so I don't think they're really trying to crack down on it. I personally don't advocate that strategy.

[Hachoo]

Uhhh, yeah, its been posted all over the internet, strategy sites, the wow forums, everwhere. And honestly, this is not even close to her toughest mechanic. The split is a much bigger deal then gravity well which (aside from positioning) can be 100% negated with healing stream totems.

And against non multiboxers the positioning problem doesn't matter at all.

Regardless, I haven't even run this on heroic, and haven't run it at all since level 74, I could care less if they nerf it. The fact that people are warning others not to do it because they might get banned is just stupid. Theres about 50 other topics/strategies in this forum that would be considered muchworse of an exploit that no one says a thing about, nitpicking this one is just dumb.

Aside from that, theres still tons of "exploits" from the BC heroics that have worked since the beginning, STILL work now, and are still listed on this forum as valid strategies. Again see my point above about nitpicking this one small thing when no one seems to care at all about the other few dozen exploits posted about here constantly (resetting Skadi lately anyone?)

[Hachoo]

As I said, I'm not even justifying my actions. I ran this instance once, months ago, at 72 or 73, haven't been back since. I'm simply listing a strategy that I've already read here about a dozen times in various threads. Its probably even listed on the Wiki. This just goes back to my point that all the complaining about it in this particular thread is downright silly.

[elsegundo]

can bullets fly through this solid, yet transparent wall? if so i would think this was unintentional. dont tell me magic balls of fire or lightning naturally cant go through transparent walls.

[Souca]

As I said, I'm not even justifying my actions. I ran this instance once, months ago, at 72 or 73, haven't been back since. I'm simply listing a strategy that I've already read here about a dozen times in various threads. Its probably even listed on the Wiki. This just goes back to my point that all the complaining about it in this particular thread is downright silly.

I didn't read this as people trying to come down hard on this specific situation, but rather a general concern over people using questionable mechanics, and this one just happened to be the one mentioned in the thread. I could be completely off base though, but that's just my take. If you ask me it's all silly, just toss a Mark of Blood on her and she heals you as you get yo-yo'd

- Souca -