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  1. #51

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    Wow Deathwalker. Ive always liked you from the EQ days and playing with Fires of Heaven etc. Ive read this list so ill have to put my 2cents in but I dont think its anything that hasnt already been said.

    First off, Grouping 4lows with a level 60+ to AOE boost with RAF only works in instances, and only if your booster can grab the whole instance and nuke it down in under 10min or so a run. If you need proof, take your 70, group with 4 level 1's and see how much xp they get off non-leet mobs. It will be like this for all 60 levels. Trust me, I just went through this on 2RAF accounts. Level 1, they got 1xp a kill. Level 59, they were getting 90xp a kill. Trying to do it this way is exactly like the south park episode killing boars for 1xp a shot. Only reason the instance boosting works is speed, volume and that eliet mobs give 2x xp per kill. Check out Hobbs AOE grinding videos here, http://www.youtube.com/user/wowhobbs If you cant aoe an instance like that or close to it, then dont bother leveling this way.

    It seems like your idea to leveling is based on mob tagging and from what ive experimented with its not going to work, Mobs that are killed by high level people will yeild no xp to the low person that tagged it. Nova totems like pets might be different, but other than the cool factor of having all thoes novas go off its gonna be just like mowing your lawn with scissors.

    Next and I think this is going to be the most important factor to consider for ya Deathwalker. Recruit a Friend. You have 3 months of tripple XP and level passups to a maximum of level 60. That one sentance needs to be your primary focus as you level your 25 shamen to 60 EVERYTHING else needs to be secondary, Gold, Tradeskills, (insert non leveling thing here). I completely understand your desire to do tradeskills and the like. My first 'cluster' I had all 5 to tailoring, (1priest and 4 mages), and one did enchanting. It was nice, but looking back now, Other than one enchanter the tailoring was a waste of time and a money sink I couldnt afford.

    I just finished leveling a paladin and shaman to 60 on Saturday, the paladin is all I wanted and shes now 63 for my mage cluster, I did this with RAF. It took 46hours played time to get them to 60. I did this completely by questing. I grouped the 2 with 3 of my mages and just blew through quests, They didnt get any real xp from mob kills, but I remember at level 50 something when I finished the Cauldren quests in Western Plaugelands and with the RAF bonus got over 40k xp for the turn in. NOTHING beats that. Every quest you complete is like finishing 3. Do 5 quests and you get the xp of having done 15. Do 10 quests and the xp of 30. I remember getting the Acheivement for 50 quests completed. I may have only done 50 quests, but I got 150 quests worth of xp. It was about 20min after getting the 250 quests complete acheivement that my paladin hit level 60. I ran ZF once to complete like 4 quests I had there, and that was the only time I went to an instance with her.

    Hopefuly I as well as others have convinced you that questing is the way to level, let me address what seems to be your other hold up. Money.
    Do not let your desire to do tradeskills handycap your ability to level. If you only have 1g and you can either buy the next rank of Lightning Bolt, or a stack of tradskill items. Buy the spell. When I leveled my pally and shaman to 60, the Shaman had about 60g more in training costs than the paladin. I gave each 100g for training and flight path money, At 60, the paladin had about 95g left and the shaman had around 30g. You stated you dont have a sugar daddy toon to hand out money, hell supporting 25 toons is going to be expensive for anyone, so your going to need to budget. My advice is to become a one trick pony. Update your lightning bolt spell and healing spell and thats it chain lightning/healing when you get there. Do you need to buy the 140 other enhancement spells that you never use? When do you get thoes other spells? Level 60 when you can afford them. And thats how your going to get your gold. Dont upgrade these accounts to the burning crusade untill your ready. Once you hit 60, do some more quests and get the ubar coin instead of XP, this is also where I would do the tradeskills that you love so much. I would repeat the gold questing at level 70 too before going to WotLK.

    In the end though Sam, Do what you have the most fun with and dont let anyone tell you different.

  2. #52

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    ok kiddles, the real issue here is dorkwaloker wants to level up his trade skillz as he levels. aside from all the 7th graders giving you grief ,lol its wow. or diablo 2.3 or something

    blizard doesnt knoiw anything abvout games. so they made all tyhe tradeskills twink. you level up to 60 then buy your trade skill and thro in 4 hours time. lol perfect for all the battlenet bitches who just gotta level leet5.

    dorkwalker inconsiously is trying to compensate for the gimp trade skillz by aoeing, which shows he is capable of critical thinking which shows hes in the wrong game probably and the wrong forum definately
    The End is Near ,Smackheads

  3. #53

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    I dont know how far youve gotten into setting this new RAF system up, but I took a moment to draw out what I feel would be the optimum setup for you to choose. Look at http://www.flickr.com/photos/27177242@N08/3108921066/

    Group 1 is 5 shamen out of your 25. Do this 4 times each to level 60. Then create a Second group consisting of your main account (square with a 1) and 4 of the others. Level them to 30 and then use the gift levels from group 1 to get that second group to 60. And if you want, transfer the 60 toon from your main account to the last account on the end there that doesnt get the gift levels. If you stick your main account at the top instead of the side, You have to level 5 groups instead of 4, and the level boosting will only benifit 4 accounts instead of 5 so you loose out quite a bit there. Also you will be able to create easily any 5 man group you want this way in group 2 very quickly or another 25 man group in half the time.

  4. #54

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    I am set up the way you show in your picture.

    All my guys are within 4 levels of each other (including the main) and I plan to keep them within 9 levels so everyone always gets full exp.

    Ok if I level up the 5 that you have labled g1-60, who can they give raf levels to except the main? You cant give levels except to your inviter and you cant group with most anyone cept your inviter (and invitee) to get raf.

    But I thinking from your ideas is that I might be able to group the main (pal who has to tag) with 4 of a group and then as they get exp they can grant levels to the guy that wasnt in the group, and by somehow alternating the odd man out there would be a way to gift a lot of levels in that manner. Lets say you have the Main (M) who invited Leader (1) who invited 2 who invited 3 etc.

    If a group of M and 1 and 4 and 5 were to get 2 levels then 4 could gift a level to 3. Then group M 2 3 4 5 (main wont get raf) and 2 could gift to 1 after 2 levels so there is some possibility to get some gifting.

    I cant see how you plan to gift levels from your diagrma as once the first group is 60, who can they raf to? Unless you are talking about doing 2 transfers, one to the group that got to level 60 and then after the transfers get to level 30 transfer them to their final spot.

    Right now I am not planing to level up more toons then 26 but of course if at the end of this RAF I have levels to gift I will use them to make alts.

    Well ya even now I am buying just minimal spells, shocks, LB, totems (offensive and stone claw) ... still it adds up, say to level 25 I have to spend 60G on spells for all guys ... that 60G dosnt come from quests ...


    The only real issue is mob respawn rate, either they will spawn fast enought to make aoe viable or they won't. Ill know by the middle/end of next week.





    dorkwalker inconsiously is trying to compensate for the gimp trade skillz by aoeing, which shows he is capable of critical thinking which shows hes in the wrong game probably and the wrong forum definately
    Kinda hard to figure out if I am the one being insulted or if everyone else is .... ?

  5. #55

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    Even if you could setup to kill those mobs as soon as they spawn there are not enough of them to give you a decent xp rate and you still have to run around consecrating to tag.
    Well there is two ways to do this. I can pull with the pally, just run around grab up mobs with proximity agro or the new 30 yard palladin taut (not in game yet) then bring them to the shamans and consecat (one time), then drop the fire nova totems (no agro so all the mobs stay on the palladin), all mobs die and the Pal and 4 shaman get all the exp.

    The other possibility is to run all 26 into a few groups of mobs, stop dead, concecrate then fire nova. This might result in some shaman getting hit by some mobs while they lag into the pal. As soo as they reach the pal his consecrate will take the agro. This has the advantage of being on the move so you can pick up more mobs basically as you dont have a set camp. Also although most mobs seem teathered and stop chasing after awhile i ahve seen some mobs (those ones to the right looking out north from thousand needles to barrens) that donst stop chasing for 1/2 a zone or more. Anyway just run around and pick up 10-20 mobs by proximity agro and then finally stop drop concecrate and fire nova totems and rack up the exp. The head off to the next area.

    What I am really hoping for is spots like gnolls in wetlands where I can run in 26 to the middle of thier camp, consecrate and drop fire nova toems and kill 8 or so mobs and then have them all spawn again instantly, even while the first concecate is still up ... if THAT works well ...

  6. #56

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    here's a thought... what if you brought 5 groups (1x prot pally + 4x arc mages) to a standard 5-man instance.

    walk each group into their own instance. once inside, the mob layout is pretty much the same.

    advance your pallies at once, in 5 separate instances, gather aggro and aoe to death across all 5 instances at once

    i would steer the pallies using the right-click/run-to movement mechanism in wow... and just click each one as needed (since the pov would be different for each). this would allow you to group heal/aoe/consecrate across all instances at once while also leveling up each group like a normal 5 man.

    thoughts?

  7. #57

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    First off, yes as long as anyone who is RAF'ed and within 4 levels of each other the RAF accounts get 3x xp regardless of who else is in the group. I just did this. 2 accounts linked with RAF and grouped a full 5man.

    If you level the group that I have tagged as G1. They pass gift levels one account to the left. So the main account (square with a 1) and the next 4 over get the grant levels. So when group 1 gets to 60, thoes have 30 free levels to give to all of group 2, thus only level group 2 to 30. Thats also why I have the line that says transfer the guy on the main acount to that last account on the right because its the only one that doesnt get the free levels. else you will have extra level 60's on the main account and the 4 accounts on the far right will be short.

    Heres another pic that I hope helps. Main account RAF's A, Account A RAF's B. etc etc.
    Group 1 is accounts abcde. All 5 get RAF 3x xp bonus and when they get to level 60. each account has 30 level grants. to pass up the chain. So account e passes 30 levels to d. all the way to where account a passes to the main account.
    This is why group 2, thats the main account 1abcd only has to get to level 30.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/27177242@N08/3108314545/

    Now the guy you level to 60 this way on the main account you need to transfer to account e, other wise if you go back to the first picture, your main account is going to have like 4 extra level 60's on it.

    Theres actualy a lot more free levels to pass to the left but lets not get overly complicated.

  8. #58

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    why do you care about agro on Nova totems? 5 of those totems will kill anything of level, so who cares about threat.
    25 totems is just overkill, and therefore a waste of time and mana.

    Mages have been aoeing groups of mobs since the dawn of time. That's what they are good at.
    Need those 8 items for a quest ? no problems > gathers 10 mobs > Aoe all > loot > turn in quest.
    I aoe farm on my paladin as well. note the main word is "farm", not "level" (she's 80 anyway). AOE farming is great for the reputation grinds. For leveling do quests.

    You say your first RAF was a disaster, and funnily enough you're doing exactly the same thing for this second attempt.
    I need to buy more popcorn.

    just curious, how much gold have you made from your crafting professions? (including how much you might have spent to level them to 150)
    Now, how much do you think you would have made with only the 3 gathering professions, after selling all the mats you got from those.

    in any case, good luck with attempt #2, i'm sure you'll get to 30 at least this RAF.
    And then another 2-3 RAF and you'll be 60! :-) woohoo
    .[I



  9. #59

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    here's a thought... what if you brought 5 groups (1x prot pally + 4x arc mages) to a standard 5-man instance.

    walk each group into their own instance. once inside, the mob layout is pretty much the same
    With some lot of work that might not be as impossible as it sounds. Although moveing stright is fessable, one you turn one guy facing 80 and another at 81 degress they start to seperate, well humm I guess with auto follow and just sending key strokes to the leader ... well its something to try, I dont see anything impossible about it. Well with my set up I can control any indivdual toon a sgood as anyone with a 3 or so seconds delay getting to the toon. Humm ...

    i would steer the pallies using the right-click/run-to movement mechanism in wow
    Umm I can move my mouse sycronislys (sort of its not perfeect) on 5 screens (setting the resolution the same for all and the mouse speed the same for all) and then click with one mouse key, going to all 5 computers (leader only). Well hummm ... this sure needs looking into.


    just curious, how much gold have you made from your crafting professions? (including how much you might have spent to level them to 150)
    Now, how much do you think you would have made with only the 3 gathering professions, after selling all the mats you got from those.
    All my income basically is from selling iron bars and the basic disenchanted dust (cant advance with it anymore). I would have more money just from mining and selling (well the dust sales kinda paying for the loss to get the other professions up and I wouldnt have green items to disenchant without tailor/bs/leather).

  10. #60

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    Group 1 is accounts abcde. All 5 get RAF 3x xp bonus and when they get to level 60. each account has 30 level grants. to pass up the chain. So account e passes 30 levels to d. all the way to where account a passes to the main account.
    Right but passes to what character? 5 new shamane who then transfer to other new accouts at level 30? You can't pass to other level 60's ....

    Level the shaman up to 30 on other acocunts then move them to the first accounts then level them to 60 instantly then transfer them back to their origianl accounts? Not sure if you can transfer more then every 30 days ...

    Ok then you have 5 accounts with a level 60 and a level 30 on them. Then what?

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