Quote Originally Posted by 'genocyde',index.php?page=Thread&postID=157360#pos t157360
Comments like Dominian's are why I have my own guild. Some people take raiding way to seriously. It's all about the loot and the first to the finish line and not about the challenge at all. I have 3 real life friends and 2 very good friends on WoW and between them and my 5 box we can cover a 10 man raid just fine and we haven't had problems yet.

My tank friend was even nice enough to bring in his tank to heroic oculus for me since my tank does not have good enough gear to survive in there yet AND he agreed to leave for the last boss so I could 5 box the dragon fight at the end for personal challenge. That final fight for the record was no where near as hard as I expected you just have to go into the fight aware that your not going to use the same strategy as another typical 5 man. Same with raiding. I believe our 10 man group, half of which is me, can down any 10 man raid fight if we tailor our strategies to our group.

As for loot. If you 5 box all the same class I wouldn't expect your guild to bring a 6th of that class. With my mixed group I run druid,priest, mage x3 We have one other mage and 2 other priests but we do not roll on loot. We have a simple system: Whoever gets the biggest stat upgrade out of the single piece of gear gets the piece as long as they have our required raid attendance.

DKP systems are inherently worthless IMO. Our guild gives everything that drops to whoever it is the biggest upgrade for since we run the same people every week. In a 25 man I imagine you'll never see the same loot system twice for a multiboxer due to 20+ other people offering opinions.
Playing with friends and a people you dont know in a guild isnt what i would consider to be the same thing..

Cant say i take raids THAT seriouse but when people show up with yellow gear and without health potions it's annoying since 24 people have to wait for the last person.

From my time on raiding back in azeroth we always had to much people when we ran BWL and NAXX (the first part of it were we never wiped) Once we decided to keep up with the twin emperors wich was a wipe fest for us we nearly never had enough people.

Your perfect loot system wouldnt work in our raid simply because we wouldnt have had the people for new encounters were loot werent guaranteed. I guess things are easier now that you can make a guild of just friends.

So saying that i play for the loot and "first to the finish line" is bs..

Kinda weird to state that when i multibox isnt it? But i see it from the old raider in me pont of view, and do i need to kill Onyxia solo? No i dont and its cool for them who do and manages to but it wouldnt make me feel better.