Mouse Broadcasting - Delays violate TOS?

[balistic]

Quick side note to this "Delay" issue in Keyclone. Has anyone noticed that the more WoW windows you have open the slower the delay? In my mind this equates to system slowdown from hardware/os not because Keyclone has any intention of inputing delays.

[Kicksome]

This is a total troll post. I've been using keyclone for over a year with no issues at all. There's been no confirmed bans from keyclone - ever.

[RobinGBrown]

This is a total troll post. I've been using keyclone for over a year with no issues at all. There's been no confirmed bans from keyclone - ever.

Agreed! It seems to me that Zanthor and Stealthy45 are acting like Lax hand puppets. The original post is a deliberate smear attempt. I don't trust those ex botters to recommend software and I think that anyone else should make up their own mind.

p.s. I fully expect stealthy45 to come along and multiquote a few more posts in a minute and apend his misinformation - it's not a winning technique

[zanthor]

This is a total troll post. I've been using keyclone for over a year with no issues at all. There's been no confirmed bans from keyclone - ever.

Agreed! It seems to me that Zanthor and Stealthy45 are acting like Lax hand puppets. The original post is a deliberate smear attempt. I don't trust those ex botters to recommend software and I think that anyone else should make up their own mind.

p.s. I fully expect stealthy45 to come along and multiquote a few more posts in a minute and apend his misinformation - it's not a winning technique

Call it what you like, but if you don't think the discussion of delays in software is relevant to software being bannable... programable or not, a delay is questionable. If you check my posting history you will find that I'm an avid supporter of KeyClone, and have continued to be so even after I personally made the switch. KeyClone is by far the easiest out of the box solution for the average multiboxer. No other software allows you to unzip an archive, block 6 keys with a blacklist and be playing inside of 5 minutes successfully multiboxing.

[stealthy45]

Agreed! It seems to me that Zanthor and Stealthy45 are acting like Lax hand puppets. The original post is a deliberate smear attempt. I don't trust those ex botters to recommend software and I think that anyone else should make up their own mind.

p.s. I fully expect stealthy45 to come along and multiquote a few more posts in a minute and apend his misinformation - it's not a winning technique

First off, that's pretty off topic.

Second, I am no one's puppet.
If you want "a deliberate smear attempt", I suggest you reread some of keyclone's posts. An example, from this thread:

loops (innerspace)...
and a whole host of other tools the user would need in order to make an automated bot engine. (most aggress being innerspace...)
this would be most definitely illegal.

BUT, AHK, HKN, and IS all provide the user with programmable delays, looping, conditionals, and out-of-game macro capability (one key producing numerous key hits per wow). these capabilities are obviously illegal

There's plenty of misinformation here.

I have said nothing negative about keyclone software in this thread, nor has zanthor. As he said, he posted this thread in order to attempt to identify what was causing the lengthy wait in keyclone's mouse broadcasting. I have asked a few specific unanswered questions I am still hoping for answers on - there was nothing "troll" about this post.
If you're looking for trolling, I suggest you go back to barrens chat or 4chan.

Now then, would you be so kind as to point out my "misinformation"? And please, do it in a PM.

[Kicksome]

Everything has a delay in it, whether it's hardware or software broadcasting. It's impossible for there NOT to be a delay when something is broadcast. I don't see blizzard saying a .1ms delay is any more OK than a 3000ms delay. So this whole topic is moot.

[Freddie]

Instead of talking about programs, why don't we look at this from the opposite side -- the rules.

Can anyone quote or link a document by Blizzard where they say delays are illegal?

I'd like to see exactly what they say. The precise words.

[zanthor]

Everything has a delay in it, whether it's hardware or software broadcasting. It's impossible for there NOT to be a delay when something is broadcast. I don't see blizzard saying a .1ms delay is any more OK than a 3000ms delay. So this whole topic is moot.

The difference is that a 1ms delay makes my alts jump and fall off the cliff into the canyon... a 3000ms delay makes my alts jump 3 seconds after I jump, potentially being useful for navigating said canyon.

Now that said, we aren't talking about jumping here, but clicking, never the less you could use this sort of delay to have a positive effect and stagger the pulses of a spell such as blizzard increasing the lockdown duration and effect of an ice mage team... suddenly you aren't talking an innoculous delay, but something players in pvp could really bitch about to the GM, the GM watches, see's this, asks how you are doing it, y ou say I'm using "ProductX" which happens to have a delay between clicks, and then boom, suspended...

Not saying this is how it rolls, but its definitely a possibility of how it could play out. Yes, you could achieve the same results with a round robin key and instant mouseclicks... and that would be without a doubt legal.

[Freddie]

...you could use this sort of delay to have a positive effect and stagger the pulses of a spell such as blizzard increasing the lockdown duration and effect of an ice mage team...

I didn't know this. Apparently I was wrong when I said this type of delay can't create an advantage.