A different elemental spec (How to break 5k dps in raids)

[Ellay]

Anyone have or do the math on the conversion rates of Str / Agility to Attack Power and such, so I can find out how much each one gives to spell power.

[Alemi]

That's silly, acknowledging elemental needs a polish but not putting the change through before season 5?

I kinda expected the change by then, solely because of this. It's not a big change to make! :P

Still, I'm refusing to give up utility, for higher possible dps that I don't actually need anywhere anyhow. Only Malygos left (done a few tries, we got close to phase three, but phase two was taking too long. :< ), I don't do 25 mans, want to keep it somewhat 'casual'. 10 is enough for me, might eventually pug 25 mans but not yet. Ie. I'll stick with deep elemental, which is and still remains much better all round. As opposed to a spec focused around one, very boring, cast sequence.

It's beyond silly to announce the talent changes and then not push to PTR faster, and additionally, they acknowledged today that elemental dps even WITH these talent changes is still too low. I was under the impression that you were, that they'd go live with the PvP changes, but it looks like they're pushing all the ele changes to PTR with the hunter, mage, and dk changes as well. So we likely won't see it till the new year.

Oh, an Aelli, it's 1 ap per pt. of Str/Agi. 1 ap per int too with Mental Dexterity

[Ualaa]

Looking at talents...
- 3/3 Mental Dexterity makes 1 Int = 1 AP.
- 3/3 Mental Quickness gives you 30% of Attack Power as Spell Power.

1 Str = 1 AP = 0.30 Spell Power
1 Agi = 1 AP = 0.30 Spell Power
1 Int = 1 AP = 0.30 Spell Power

[Ellay]

Ah I thought our conversion rates were more complex than 1:1 :P

[Kaynin]

It used to be 1 str 2 ap, but that changed not that long ago. :P

Which kinda totally screwed over my strength built solo enhancement shaman. :/



Anyhow, funny thing happened, one member of my guild went drama about me, and is now being a childish jerk to me. During the raid after gm calmed things down, he kept posting the top three dps whenever I was just four. But stopped when I gained up to place 3 again. (Mage did 2400 dps, rogue(person in question) 2100 dps as well as a retridin and I did 2000-2100. (overall, I had peaks of 2800 on some bosses.)

I'm thinking of respeccing to this dps spec for next raid just to blow him away tbh. For one, just about all our dps'ers aren't really 'that good'. The mage is good but he doesnt have a good raid dps spec. Rogue and paladin are numbnuts. :P

I should 'technically' be far ebhind them, as they arlready outgear me, not having been that lucky on loot myself. Only got some on one shaman, other three still in blues. Still I surpass them on some bosses, and all the while often helping out healing a bit too when I see a healer getting prevented from healing and a tank or raid member getting low, etc.

Oh well, was fun while it lasted, raiding with all chars. Now they demanded we raid only when they are all available, and not when I have enough chars available to raid (All the while they do pug Archavon and Sartharion without the rest of the guild whenever it suits them, gogo double standards.). And since they are only available 2 nights a week, I don't think I'll be doing much raids the coming time. :P Considering transfering again, some people on another server I know who would be veyr willing to do ten man, with all four of me present. ^^

All I want is fun and casual raiding, no obligations and no childish whiners. It's not that easy to find in WoW. :<

[Alemi]

Oh well, was fun while it lasted, raiding with all chars. Now they demanded we raid only when they are all available, and not when I have enough chars available to raid (All the while they do pug Archavon and Sartharion without the rest of the guild whenever it suits them, gogo double standards.). And since they are only available 2 nights a week, I don't think I'll be doing much raids the coming time. :P Considering transfering again, some people on another server I know who would be veyr willing to do ten man, with all four of me present. ^^

All I want is fun and casual raiding, no obligations and no childish whiners. It's not that easy to find in WoW. :<

Good luck My guild core is a very tight knit group of people, it's just having to educate the new people as they come in that I'm not here to fill their raid. "Hey we need 3 shaggs." "Oh look, xxx just logged in, drop a shagg" Doesn't fly with me. I made that clear at the start. And I have a 10 man group that would rather run with me than anyone else, so, I wish you the best of luck in finding something close.

I'm trying this spec for fun, and downloading the PTR patch as we speak so I can see how the changes equate. They may make this go live soon, since PTR is still missing mage and dk changes. Who knows with Blizzard.

[Ellay]

This spec is done for. With the recent changes it looks like they didn't like us going in this direction.

Mental Quickness: Reduced the mana cost of instant cast Shaman spells by 2/4/6% and increases spell power by an amount equal to 23/46/70% of your agility.

But the good news is that last night they acknowledged the Elemental DPS issue and are looking into it more.

We have looked at the issue some more and do have concerns that even after these changes that Elemental shaman damage will be too low.

I'll address the problem again when we have an idea for how we're going to fix it, but this is a "soon" fix not a "distant future" fix.

[Fat Tire]

We have looked at the issue some more and do have concerns that even after these changes that Elemental shaman damage will be too low.

I'll address the problem again when we have an idea for how we're going to fix it, but this is a "soon" fix not a "distant future" fix.

I have looked at blue tracker and on the forums and I cant find this quote. Would you mind linking where you got this info please? Thanks.

[Multibocks]

thank god, I really didnt like this spec as it didnt feel "elemental". Fantastic dps, don't know why I couldnt get over not going deep elemental.

[Alemi]

I have looked at blue tracker and on the forums and I cant find this quote. Would you mind linking where you got this info please? Thanks.

Look harder.

It's in the main elemental shaman concern thread under damage dealing classes.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/1327...-concerns.html