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[Vyndree]

I don't personally agree with this:

and every class having an aoe sucking

Why?
1) Shamans got a new AoE too (and it PUNTS PEOPLE)
2) We always had to deal with AoE from mages, hunters, warlocks, warriors (WW/cleaves), boomkins (granted, CD ability), ferals (swipe), shamans (magma/fire novas/earthbinds). So, really, you're just adding Priest and DKs to the list, but honestly -- we already had to keep an eye out for aoe in the first place so there's really no difference. There's just more variety, but see item #1 for why this isn't a bad thing.
3) Chain Heal and spellpower = bigger heals from elemental specs

Phasing?
An irritant, but no more irritating than a rogue spamming distract, which I already had to look out for. Spamming follow keys is a habit for me now.

Vehicles?
This is the one place I can agree. I don't like them either. So I either a) don't do them, nobody's forcing me to; or b) do them on my main if and only if I can complete the quest via proximity on my alts.


I've always been respectful with my disagreements.


I will tell you one thing: Ele shammies sucked when BC first came out too. They kept fussing with clearcasting making us re-gear each time to get the "ideal" crit, our gear at similar levels gave us less DPS than other casters, we brought no decent buffs to the table that a resto shaman couldn't.... I mean, Hydross was immune to nature wtf was an ele shaman to do? What changed? Arena burst damage became king and we SCALED incredibly well with gear.

I know you're not directly complaining about "shamans suck now", but alot of people are so I felt I needed to address that. Prior to BC, there were NO shaman teams. All mages and locks because "AoE damage is king" for battlegrounds. BC introduced arenas and burst/survivability being important, and shaman rose to the top. Now wrath is here, and we need to figure out what we need to do to succeed. I'm sorry you feel cheated because there are new talents, new abilities, new priorities -- but you either need to learn to adapt or, like you're doing, take the experiences you have and call it quits. Those who joined us after the "shaman FOTM" which, honestly, I am loathe to even admit because there are people like Ellay and Xbox who were around prior to it being "cool" haven't really taken the time to notice the pattern -- proven combinations come and go. It's the endless balance and rebalance and inevitable lack of balance.

You can either put all your eggs in one basket and hope for the best, bounce between classes until you find what works, or just say "screw it" and do WHAT YOU LOVE TO DO. If you don't love multiboxing anymore for the sake of multiboxing, then don't do it. Nobody's going to shove it down your throat.

I'm an altaholic because I love theorycrafting and forming various group compositions and writing clever macros. No rebalancing will "break" multiboxing for me because I multibox for the sake of multiboxing. I enjoy challenges, I enjoy rerolling, I enjoy macro writing -- and I can honestly still do that even if multiboxing becomes the weakest of weaksauces. I will still have fun. Because fun, to me, is the experience -- it's not winning or losing or being better than solo boxers or even being the SAME as solo boxers. I'm not the same as a solo boxer, and I embrace that difference. There is no advantage. I know that, and I enjoy it anyway.

If you don't, then I say good for you for not wasting your time on something you don't enjoy. Expecting a community that DOES enjoy that hobby to agree is somewhat of a stretch -- like going into a baseball game and screaming "I HATE BASEBALL IT SUCKS NOW". So, while I can say that I, personally, am respectful at the same time I can't say I'm surprised by the reactions of several others... are you honestly surprised?

[TheBigBB]

Wow, I seriously cannot tell you how disappointed I am with both of these comments. Nowhere did I complain that I thought it was hard.

New Mechanics that are not multibox friendly = MAKING MULTIBOXING AS A WHOLE HARDER / MORE DIFFICULT

Its the same damn thing. Nice try though.

And yes, I'm an asshole. :P :P

Ok so lets look at this logic as it relates to my post.

Phasing: You just have to move up the toons that fell off. Not "hard" its irritating.

Vehicles: You do the quest with 1 toon and leave the other toons near the main OR in some quests just park the toons at the end of the quest turn in area and you get credit. Not "hard" its irritating.

AOE: Gee they AOE me while I 1-2 shot them(PVP) or move out of the AOE(PVE). Not "hard" but irritating.

Strand of the Ancients: I have to run my toons across the beach to get them back together again. Not "hard" once again irritating.

Saying that i quit because it got "harder" doesn't even come close to the point. The changes are just flat out annoying, not harder.

If these things are not hard for you to deal with, then they would not irritate you.

I think you're confused about the sense in which the word "hard" is being used. In this case, it's the planning or ability to figure out your limitations. If a multiboxer can no longer count on his epic flying mounts, but continues to keep trying to use them and bang his head against the wall, that person will be irritated. However the challenge would become to map out a routine or playing agenda which limits the amount these things bother you. For example, most people don't bring their tank into battlegrounds rather than complain about the irritation of the tank being very useless in PVP. The person who brings the tank is going to "have a hard time". Were said person to quit the game over the "annoyance" of their tank being useless in BGs, people would meet them with the same skepticism you're being met with. The skepticism is based on the fact that there are so many other things in WOTLK to mess around with as a multiboxer that it's hard to accept you as a reasonable individual if the annoyance of phasing would cause you to pay $100 to evacuate your accounts 2 weeks into the expansion.

I have to wonder how many people here actually tried flying on epic mounts pre expansion. I know Xar was crying about his guys losing follow in Shatt in BC content very recently, but now he will probably blame it on phasing. I can't really ride epic flyers too well myself, even with no lag. Pretty much, ever. It's always going to be a problem in a MMO for a boxer.

[Mokoi]

ese things are not hard for you to deal with, then they would not irritate you.

Incorrect, Irritating does not mean hard, it does not indicate an added level of difficulty of the game, it adds an extra level of annoyance. Adding an extra step in a process that we are accustomed to not having. That is an irritation, not a difficulty.

Coming back from getting a drink while doing quests with all your toons following you only to find that 3 of them have lost follow because of a phased zone and wasting time getting your guys back on follow is annoying, you cant say its more difficult, its irritating.

Can't say I would quit over that, but we have to be honest, boxing has seen better days, and the days of the invulnerable phalanx of Shamans is probably gone. Some people only paid the extra money on their accounts because it was relatively OP in BGs and fun in arenas, this may be lost in WoTLK. Once again, not worth quitting the game over, but maybe not spending the extra money on the added accounts is called for for some people who's benefit from paying for them is gone for now.

[TheBigBB]

ese things are not hard for you to deal with, then they would not irritate you.

Incorrect, Irritating does not mean hard, it does not indicate an added level of difficulty of the game, it adds an extra level of annoyance. Adding an extra step in a process that we are accustomed to not having. That is an irritation, not a difficulty.

Coming back from getting a drink while doing quests with all your toons following you only to find that 3 of them have lost follow because of a phased zone and wasting time getting your guys back on follow is annoying, you cant say its more difficult, its irritating.

How is it not more difficult? Sure, it makes flying around those zones more difficult.

[puppychow]

I think someone nailed it perfectly previously, I am relatively happy at the moment and avoid most of the vehicle stuff (but I do most of the quests, including collection). My plan is to finish leveling up to 80, run some heroics and such to get my pally/mage geared up, then let 2 of my shamans subs elapse. I'll 1-3 box as I feel like it, until a big content patch or the next expansion, knowing my extra 2 shamans are just 5 minutes away if I ever want/need them. 2-3 boxing is a lot more fun than 5 boxing in WOTLK, for me at least. I'm also lucky that on my server there are pretty much 24x7 pugs for all heroics and raids.

And yes, I really, really, really hate the flying parts of Icecrown/etc. When I'm on my 280% mount I want to soar and dive and fly in crazy patterns and gasp at the giant landscapes and crazy mobs and other beautiful scenery. Not check my minimap every 3 seconds to see if someones fallen behind. For now the easiest thing I do is just use the flight master to get around, and only mount up when doing specific quests in a subzone. I'm taking the bus instead of driving my ferrari

[Hatred]

If you don't, then I say good for you for not wasting your time on something you don't enjoy. Expecting a community that DOES enjoy that hobby to agree is somewhat of a stretch -- like going into a baseball game and screaming "I HATE BASEBALL IT SUCKS NOW". So, while I can say that I, personally, am respectful at the same time I can't say I'm surprised by the reactions of several others... are you honestly surprised?

I can definately see the point you are trying to make here. When I made my OP I had no intention of angering anyone. My intention was purely to say that I was quitting for now due to frustrations that I didn't want to deal with and to THANK everyone here that contributed in one way or another to my success as a multiboxer. I stated before in one of my posts in this thread that I had a great time multiboxing and I do enjoy it but at the moment my frustrations have gotten the best of me. Sure i transferred my toons onto 1 account, so what, if I ever get out of this PISSY mood I am in and decide to adapt to what I am currently resisting then I can easily pay $100 and move my toons back on to seperate accounts again.

As for Suvega, my apologies for calling you an ass earlier in the thread. The frustration I have at the moment will pass. I may not have liked your post but I can also see where you might think the way you responded. Even if you are wrong. :P

[Vyndree]

:thumbsup: for maturity


If we get angry because people criticize us for their opinion that multiboxing is a "dumb"/"pointless" playstyle, then we have no right to criticize someone who chooses not to share our opinion either.

Good for joo.

[Iceorbz]

I was in major danger of starting to feel like this too, mainly due to over-anticipation of what Wrath would bring in the weeks/months running up to release (I guess I sort of pre-burned myself out).

So instead, after getting frustrated during the 1st week of release, I've chilled out, worked on alt teams, soloed with my pally, started a couple of new guys to twink at 69 (man RAF is overpowered). etc etc.

I'll get to 80 in the end, not really bothered about being 1st anymore, or even above the curve. I'll pick up some welfare epics when they roll along, learn the heroics at my own pace, get my professions up bit by bit.

I'm sort of enjoying this approach atm, but the kid in me still keeps whispering on my shoulder (min-devil style) "oi lazy, you're falling behind", but I do my best to ignore him, it's not a race, and I'm not answerable to anyone.

This is *EXACTLY* the approach im taking, hence my warrior is 74 right now.. ive gotten my shaman up from 42 a few weeks ago to about 64 now, still having a good time. The quests in borean were not to bad, I think of it this way... regardless of grinding im going to need cloth, eternals, coin, reputation and experience. Might as well grind it out now while im questing.

I also have my wife leveling a druid with me, and shes tanking... This may get subbed out later since I will have a 80 prot warrior in the end, along with a destruction lock or hunter / druid. 4 Shaman seems to still be a pimp combo and then juts get a buddy to tank for you. When people see how fast you clear, how much damage you do overall they will want to run with you anyways.

[Dominian]

I was in major danger of starting to feel like this too, mainly due to over-anticipation of what Wrath would bring in the weeks/months running up to release (I guess I sort of pre-burned myself out).

So instead, after getting frustrated during the 1st week of release, I've chilled out, worked on alt teams, soloed with my pally, started a couple of new guys to twink at 69 (man RAF is overpowered). etc etc.

I'll get to 80 in the end, not really bothered about being 1st anymore, or even above the curve. I'll pick up some welfare epics when they roll along, learn the heroics at my own pace, get my professions up bit by bit.

I'm sort of enjoying this approach atm, but the kid in me still keeps whispering on my shoulder (min-devil style) "oi lazy, you're falling behind", but I do my best to ignore him, it's not a race, and I'm not answerable to anyone.

This is *EXACTLY* the approach im taking, hence my warrior is 74 right now.. ive gotten my shaman up from 42 a few weeks ago to about 64 now, still having a good time. The quests in borean were not to bad, I think of it this way... regardless of grinding im going to need cloth, eternals, coin, reputation and experience. Might as well grind it out now while im questing.

I also have my wife leveling a druid with me, and shes tanking... This may get subbed out later since I will have a 80 prot warrior in the end, along with a destruction lock or hunter / druid. 4 Shaman seems to still be a pimp combo and then juts get a buddy to tank for you. When people see how fast you clear, how much damage you do overall they will want to run with you anyways.

Idd all my real life friends are queued up to do instances with me since i bring a decent geared tank and healers... All they have to do is dps!

Had to put my foot down when it came to sharing of loot when my friend ended up with 50% of the greens.. Boxing doesnt make you rich, even if thats what people think.

[Suvega]

As for Suvega, my apologies for calling you an ass earlier in the thread. The frustration I have at the moment will pass. I may not have liked your post but I can also see where you might think the way you responded. Even if you are wrong. :P

No need my friend, I'm a douche on the forums :P